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Раньше Ошеломление выводило разбойника из невидимости, но существовал талант, который давал 90% шанс остаться невидимым. В 10% случаев разбойники очень расстраивались =(

Комментарий от Vooly

Сап выявил любопытную механику паков-патрулей в инстах. Оказывается, в паке есть ведущий моб, который ходит по маршруту, остальные следуют за ним. Если сапнуть ведущего - остановится весь пак. Если ведомого - пак продолжит патрулирование, а моб побежит его догонять, когда очнётся. С трудом представляю, в каких условиях это может понадобиться, но мало ли..

Good ways to use sap: sap hunter/warlock, kill the pet, then proceed to stunlock hunter/lock and kill him, very useful, with imp sap, you can cheap shot the pet, imp sap is also when that warrior has a healer around, just sap healer, then garrote the warrior keep warrior under stunlock, when warr dead, vanish then proceed to kill the healer.

Комментарий от 8474

Sap is a very useful spell. When you obtain the full talent upgrade it is vastly improved, you can stay stealthed while casting almost 90% of the time. Sap can be effected by stun resists.

Комментарий от RakothMaugrim

The new BC talents will make imp sap a 100% success rate, with only 2 points in it. I also believe they are moving down a tree. Like any opener, it can miss. In the first murder build Sap was affected by Murder wich increased chance to hit with an opener.

Sap is a disorient effect, and just like gouge can be broken by a warrior's berserker rage.

Комментарий от 7735

Just wanted to point out a pvp application for sap that seems oftentimes overlooked. It is quite useful in 1v1/Duels, especially if you have improved sap:

Simply sap the target, then cheap shot and quickly turn around before your auto attack hits. If done correctly, this should stun them, but not break sap, allowing you to restealth and essentially start off the fight with 2 free combo points.

note: In patch 2.0 it is possible to cheapshot without breaking sap and without turning around using the following macro (Taken from Ming's post on the rogue forums)

/equip Bow of Love
/cast Cheap Shot
/stopattack

Change "Bow of Love" to your actual ranged weapon

Just mash this macro when you want to cheapshot without breaking your sap.

Комментарий от 10315

Also the difference between sap and the CCs of other classes is that in PVE, if you do not start a fight right near the sapped mob you won't enter combat mode once the sap finshes with that mob (assuming you have Improved), unlike poly or banish or shackle where you'll either have to fight once the effect finishes or ran away already.

Комментарий от 41395

According to the Patch 2.1.0 notes, Imp. Sap will cease to exsist. In other words, Imp. Sap will be removed from the Sub. Tree and will be replaced with a talent that reduces the energy cost/increases the range of Sap/Blind. The good news is that Sap will now work like it should have TWO YEARS AGO: It will automatically retun you to stealth. This means that, essentially, every Rogue will have Imp. Sap. This frees up 7 talent points for Assassination/Combat Rogues who had to spec down Subtltey Lane just so they could do 5-mans (among other changes in the patch include: Poisons no longer having charges, Rogue's PvP insignia removing stuns, etc.).

Комментарий от 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue if you sap a flagged person.

Комментарий от 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue. If you sap a flagged person.

Комментарий от 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue if you sap a flagged person.

Комментарий от 48190

Sap duration against PVP targets decreased to 10s as for 2.2.0 Patch.

Not a good deal here...

Комментарий от MasterOfDisguise

As of patch 2.4.0, Sap is no longer an Incapaciate effect, instead it is now a "Sap" effect.

Warriors can still use Ярость берсерка to become immune to Sap.

Комментарий от 100107

I'm level 63 now and still discovering interesting uses for this ability. Sometimes I'm in a crowded area and need to get my health back. So I find a spot where only one mob is in aggro range, Sap it, sit down, eat, then stealth while eating.

Sap also allows you to move through mobs without aggroing them. Very useful in narrow corridors or other tight spaces.

If the Sapped target is far away enough from your combat target, you can often re-stealth after finishing with the combat target. This also works sometimes when picking herbs, mining ore, skinning mobs, and looting chests and bodies. The mechanics are still ambiguous, so I can't guarantee that mere distance or facing does the trick. Experiment with it and see what works best for you :)

Edit: I've found another use. When a mob is Sapped, you can change its facing with Distract. You won't see it physically turn, but its cone of awareness will shift to wherever Distract has landed. This can really help when you don't want the sapped target to be "aware" of your combat target. Although again, sometimes the mechanics are tricky, so I can't guarantee that it will work all the time.

Комментарий от 146819

With 2 points in the Dirty Tricks talent (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=14094) Sap has a "10 yard range", but it "Requires melee weapon"?
Who uses a 30 foot weapon?!

Комментарий от Marat

Sweet now we can CC for 1 whole minute can't wait to try it out in Beta

Комментарий от Rarehunter

Still 10 secs in PvP though :/ but it works on Shammies in GW and Druids in Forms! Oh and hunter/warlock pets too but idk why you'd sap the pet when you can sap the master or some other player nearby.

Комментарий от cheesepizza

Would the demon be sapped for 1 min since it does not count as a pc?

Комментарий от 156183

you couldnt hammer on the lock if you plan on sapping the pet since any damage done to the lock would break the sap because 99% of pvping locks spec soul link

Комментарий от 86732

So only alliance can train this? Or do we have to all buy orb's of deception and hope that the trainer in SW doesn't notice?

Комментарий от 154897

Useful macro

#showtooltip Sap
/console SET targetNearestDistance 10
/targetenemy
/console SET targetNearestDistance 41
/cast sap

Saps yourtarget , but if u havent got target ,saps the nearst enemy

Комментарий от 51953

It seems odd to give an ability that you get at level 10, a completely new level of usefulness 61 levels later. Sapping beasts, demons, and dragonkin is useful far earlier than level 71.

Комментарий от cerin616

what i have been wondering is, If you were to sap a city guard, would it give off the alert that the town is under attack?

Комментарий от 234789

"Only works on Humanoids, Beasts, Demons and Dragonkin that are not in combat."

Get in combat to avoid being sapped.

Комментарий от Zmic

"Rogue keep sappin mah healer!"

Комментарий от Zmic

"Rogue keep sappin mah healer!"

Комментарий от 53437

Be careful!
The warrior can IMMUNE the SAP with using Berserker Rage!
Sap after the warrior is coming out from the Arena's Gate!

Комментарий от Delvara

Go tree druids! :/

Комментарий от 318387

ok can some1 tell me wtf sap is ? my point is what it means ? its s.a.p. from some words or it is just sap? it must be a verb :P damn only rogues just rogues :S what the rogue is suppose to do to the other guy and he mains still there like he lost hes brains lol

Комментарий от 340836

Only 3 of those 4 things are playable.. Perhaps the fourth is a small glimmer of hope of what is to come? Most likely not, but a player can dream...

I mean, just think about it. A class that can revert to its original form, which would be a Dragonkin in this case. I don't know about anyone else, but I definitely would be majorly pumped about a Dragonkin class. Just wishful thinking....

Комментарий от Ladadadada

I was wondering if anyone else can shed any light on this scenario: there are two stationary mobs facing each other (such as the pirates on the docks in Tanaris); you sap one and ambush the other. At the end of the fight, sometimes you can re-stealth and ambush the sapped target but sometimes the sapped target has you in combat and the best you can do is to walk around behind him and backstab.

I haven't yet figured out what causes a sapped target to sometimes see me and sometimes not. The targets are nearly always facing each other so it's unlikely to be the direction the sapped target is facing and I have done it at all sorts of different ranges and seen it work both ways. I have even finished the first fight and run right through the other mob before stealthing again.

You can tell when it happens because when you ambush the non-sapped target you will hear two yells of surprise as both mobs see you. If you only hear one, it means you will be able to re-stealth after the fight with the first one and ambush the second.

If anyone knows what is going on here I'd love to know about it.

Комментарий от 667752

how do i get improved sap so i restealth after using it?

Комментарий от 667752

how di i get improved sap so i can restealth right after

Комментарий от Lands

So it doesn't work against hunters?

Also cannot be cast on self by a rogue

HAHA IM SO FUNNY I SAYING SOME1 HAZ NO BRAIN

Комментарий от faliarin

Apparently with 4.0.1 basic sap no longer removes you from stealth whether you pass or fail at the attempt.
I use this as a preparation for launching my attack.
I move within 10 Yards, Sap the PvE mob and move around to the back and begin my assault.
This is now the first ability that helps you get into position an attack.

Комментарий от Garon132

I was leveling a third rogue a while back, found a very fun moment with this ability in a BG at level 48.

Scenario; I have the flag, no horde are chasing me so I don't blow sprint quite yet.
I see a warlock running to me from a distance, and I know he has a void walker so I wont be able to do much damage

I'm about at the part where the landscape changes. I stealth, dropping the flag, knowing there are no stealth targets on the opposing team.
The warlock pauses, and stares. He then runs towards the flag, most likely laughing at my stupidity.
I sap him before he reaches the flag, grab the flag, then pop sprint and run off.

Yes, I did cap the flag =)

Комментарий от 398789

Rogue sappin' mah sentry!

Комментарий от 449532

"Rogue keep sappin' mah totem!"

Комментарий от 493945

Hey guys, I think there's a *sapped*.

Комментарий от 714854

works on Humanoids, Beasts, Demons and Dragonkin

Комментарий от Suparockr

If in PvP you get this Debuff, just get ready to be poisoned, cheap shotted, gouged, backstabbed, etc. followed by being killed seconds after you break stun

Комментарий от Lohr

Sap is no longer placing the rogue in combat when he/she is visible and the target is sapped.

Комментарий от Furydeath

Anyone else having Sap getting removed randomly on mobs? I'll sap one guy kill his friend then out of no where the other just just drops sap not in combat or anything. guess I should just unglyph that kinda useless for me.

Комментарий от 338334

Abilities that used to trigger on hit, such as the AGI from Жидкая смерть no longer trigger when Sap is used.

This means no standing on an enemy to sap them until you have a full buff stack.

Комментарий от FlayOnDarkIron

Imo, the tooltip should read:

Sap
Can't say no.
1 minute remaining.

Комментарий от 128740

The fun of sapping people in the Darkmoon Faire arena until they fight each other and picking off the loser...

Комментарий от gamedisciple

An excellent ability in PvP for the following:

Taking healers out of the fight (they often aren't in combat until after their target engages)
Forcing players to burn their Унаследованный знак различия Орды or Унаследованный знак различия Альянса (allowing for other types of crowd control or re-sapping)
Stopping flag runners in Ущелье Песни Войны while your team arrives
Preventing flag captures in Низина Арати without breaking Незаметность

Комментарий от gamedisciple

Hate the awful "I'm not close enough" noise when spamming Ошеломление? Well worry no longer! Here's a macro that quietly targets any nearby enemy and then Ошеломлениеs them in blissful silence!

/targetenemy
/stopmacro
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Sap
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

Комментарий от Gyrwym

If you sap a player over and over again each sap lasts shorter and they become immune eventually.

Комментарий от 126811

if a guy is mounted does he breaks his mounted aura when you sap him?

Комментарий от Pipkins

I haven't played Rogue a great deal, but even I can see a lot of people in BG's are wrong to Sap motionless targets then a second later Ambush them-Don't do that. It takes away the element of surprise, gives them a chance to alert allies to AoE you before you've even started and leaves you down on energy once you've entered combat, when you really don't need to be. If you Vanish mid-fight, diminishing returns will happen if you need to use Sap for tactical uses.When someone is guarding a node like as not they will just stand on the spot and pop a few AoE's and patrol for a few seconds every now and then, so just stealth up and take them. Even if they are moving, it's not that tricky to catch them if they're not mounted-Sprint, Nightstalker talent, Fleet-footed passive, Sprint and tier 4 talents are all there.

Комментарий от Phasha

Here is a fun macro I recently devised after 6.0 launch. It combines 4 abilities, Незаметность, Ошеломление, Исчезновение, and Уловка, into one button:

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/cast Feint

How to use:

Press the macro:
1) If you are out of combat, not stealthed => Незаметность
2) If you are out of combat, stealthed => Ошеломление
3) If you are in combat, not stealthed => Уловка

Press alt key + the macro:
1) Cast Исчезновение

Feel free to leave any comments and feedback on how you like it. =D

======================================================================================

Update for Patch 6.1:

Blizzard has changed how the game determines if you are wearing a stance. Previously when you use the macro out of combat to get into stealth, the game will "get it" that you are under instantly, and not go into the next step, casting Уловка. In Patch 6.1, however, Blizzard introduces a lag when applying a stance, thus the macro will cast Уловка even if you have just casted Незаметность.

I have spent some time meditating and here is a simple and effective update: replacing condition with . Here is the fabled 4-ability macro that works with Patch 6.1:

6.1 version: Незаметность, Ошеломление, Исчезновение, and Уловка

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/cast Feint

Effects when pressing the macro:
1) If you are out of combat, not stealthed => Незаметность
2) If you are out of combat, stealthed => Ошеломление
3) If you are in combat, not stealthed => Уловка

Effect when pressing alt key + the macro:
1) Cast Исчезновение

Meanwhile, this macro has had a great time with other macros in my menagerie, and has spawned a baby.

Variation: Незаметность, Ошеломление, Исчезновение, and Ускользание (refresh with immediately if is not on CD)

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/stopmacro
/castsequence reset=9 Evasion,null
/cast Preparation

Effects when pressing the macro:
1) If you are out of combat, not stealthed => Незаметность
2) If you are out of combat, stealthed => Ошеломление
3) If you are in combat, not stealthed, on CD => Ускользание
4) If you are in combat, not stealthed, not on CD => Ускользание then immediately auto-refresh with

Effect when pressing alt key + the macro:
1) Cast Исчезновение

Here, the condition before Незаметность let you see it icon and CD of Ускользание when you are in combat. Also, the "/castsequence ... null" prevents casting Ускользание twice in a roll in a panic situation.

Note: Do not combine Уловка and Ускользание into one macro as it will only cast the first one. Here are two bad examples:

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/stopmacro
/cast Feint
/castsequence reset=9 Evasion,null
/cast Preparation

^^^This bad example will only cast Уловка if you are in combat and not stealthed.

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/stopmacro
/castsequence reset=9 Evasion,null
/cast Preparation
/cast Feint

^^^This bad example will only cast Ускользание if you are in combat and not stealthed.

Enjoy and tell me what you think! =D <3

Комментарий от Skullhawk13

Despite blizzard claiming it works on anything with an organic brain, Giants and Critters are still immune.

Комментарий от ginny

At least one of several bugs persists with Исчезновение in PvP since Warlords of Draenor:

If a player uses Исчезновение, while targeting an enemy who is only in combat with the rogue or the enemy is in group combat via healing, the target will effectively drop combat (it will not show in enemy nameplate or other combat status), allowing Незаметность to be used and therefore all other Незаметность based openers, e.g. Ошеломление.

This can and has been a game-breaking bug in arena matches, particularly devastating since a natural target is healers.

Комментарий от ginny

In 7.1.5, Sap triggers Adaptation.

Ссылки Экспортировать в WeakAuras

Ошеломление

Ошеломление

35 ед. энергии	Радиус действия: 10 м

Мгновенное действие

Парализует не участвующую в бою цель на 1 min. Действует только на гуманоидов, зверей, демонов и драконов. При получении урона цель придет в себя. Максимальное количество – 1.

Аура

Ошеломление

Паралич.
[Получаемый урон увеличен на 0%.]
Осталось: 1 минута

Свойства заклинания

Длительность

1 минута

Школа

Физический урон

Механика

Ошеломлён

Тип рассеивания

нет

Категория ГКД

Обычный

Стоимость

35 ед. энергии

Радиус действия

10 метров (Very Short)

Время прочтения

Мгновенное действие

Восстановление

нет

ГКД

1 сек.

Форма

Незаметность

Вероятность срабатывания ауры

100%

Эффект

Apply Aura: Stun
PvP-мультипликатор: 1

Метки

способность
Не может быть использовано в облике друида
[Do Not Sheath]
Прекращает автоатаку
Невозможно уклониться, парировать или блокировать
Не прерывает режим скрытности
Цель не может находиться в бою
Не создает угрозы
[Prevents Anim]
[Aura Stays After Combat]
[Discount Power On Miss]
[PvP Enabling]
[No Proc Equip Requirement]
[Suppress Caster Procs]
Цель не вступает в бой
[Can Proc From Procs]
[Suppress Weapon Procs]
Этот эффект может воздействовать только на одну цель
[Show Mechanic as Combat Text]
[Can Proc From Suppressed Target Procs]
[Aura Points On Client]
[Allow Class Ability Procs]
[Nameplate Enemy Debuffs]

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Assassination Rogue Rotation Guide BFA Class Utility Overview Infested Strategy Guide - BFA Season 1 Mythic+ Affix Legion Rogue Class Changes Subtlety Rogue PvP Guide

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