выпала в путешествии во времени 835 закалёнка , прокает на 5к ап , этот стат выведен из игры или он просто скрыт и как посмотреть насколько вырастает урон и вырастает ли он вообще?

Using ProcWatch my trinket procced off 5% of all melee attacks and abilities and with a crit rate of 20% that puts the proc rate at about 1/4 of all crits (using slightly flawed maths of course).

I do suspect the number to be lower around 10% but it procs often. On a combat rogue doing regular level 70 humanoid farming - It procs once a fight...once every 2 fights at the most.

Great item for the 1.45% crit (at 70) and the proc. My favourite bit of loot in TBC so far.

Комментарий от 21187

I just got this today and it definitely procs off of ranged attacks.

Комментарий от 12051

When it procs for me it only adds Melee attack damage, it procs of range and doesn't give me any RAP.

Комментарий от Marra

so...
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28034
and
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28288

are the 2 best rogue trinket pre-raid?

Комментарий от 27334

Screenshot notes:

1. The Proc graphic will not always be Black with a red border (As shown in the picture). Sometimes the buff proc will be all red. The effect's still the same as it's shown in the screen shot.

2. I have no clue what the icon's normal name would be called, so I tried to enlarge the icon picture. You can make your own call on what it resembles :)

3. The name of the buff:
Rage of the Unraveller.
Increases attack power by 300.
10 seconds.

Комментарий от 33981

Hmmm.

I just got this last night on my dual wield fury warrior. I think I've only seen it proc a handful of times since having it. I crit quite a bit (25% base, upwards to 33% in grouping scenarios buffed up). Did they turn this into a Crusader type proc in that it's a per minute proc rather than a true % proc rate?

Комментарий от 31937

does it proc for druids to?

I got it today but haven't noticed the proc yet.....

Комментарий от Trapordie

Got this today, its procced once in an hour of fighting.......... considering im extremely unlucky as it is, its probley just me.

Комментарий от 34952

This trinket has a hidden (or internal) cooldown of 45seconds, which is probably why some people haven't noticed it proc'ing as much. It's very solid on long boss fights.

Комментарий от Icarus

This trinket stack with Bloodlust Brooch?

Комментарий от 34952

Yes, it should stack. I've activated my other AP trinkets after a proc of the Hourglass and the AP definitely stacks. Getting to 3k AP with battle shout up and an enhance shammy in group is ftw.

Комментарий от 38601

I can confirm that it does stack with "use" trinkets. With Bloodlust Brooch a correctly specced hunter can gain 627 AP by stacking these two, not sure if other classes get an increase in AP% from talents or spells but I don't see myself replacing this trinket for LONG time especially since I had to set up literally 30 BM runs in a week specifically so I could get this trinket.

Комментарий от GmAz

Will this work with a ranged attack like a Gun or a Bow. If not..oh well, but 32 crit rating is uber.

Комментарий от 33269

Does the proc stack with Bladefists Breadth?

Комментарий от 33269

Gmaz yes it will proc of range attacks

Комментарий от GmAz

Ya, it finally procced twice on the Moroes fight. Thx!

Комментарий от 44372

Few things have angered me more in this game than the drop rate of this trinket. 6k from exalted now and it hasn't dropped, not even once. Blizzard must just hate me or something, because I see rogues everywhere with it and even my hunter friend that has done the place much less than I, has it and has seen it drop several times.

Комментарий от 46672

i'd like to know if the drop rate is better in the heroic? anyone know?

Комментарий от 59147

I wrote the addon for my shaman to count procs because all other addons doesn't count WF of SS as hits.
In addition my addon shows smallest time between procs.
So i did a "little" test on an unkillable Servant of Sevine in Blasted Lands using + :

Rage of the Unraveller got 98 procs in 3761 crits (10414 hits) and the smallest time was 49.686 sec between them :-(
Skyfire Swiftness got 100 procs in 10414 hits and the smallest time was 40.58 sec between them :-(

We see a cooldown of 50sec on this pre 2.1 IMBA trinket /cry
And 40sec on new metagem /spit

Комментарий от 61342

Picked this up the other day on my Paladin, the only other person who could use it was a Rogue, who already had it. I spec Ret from time to time for farming/questing (Netherdrake!), and was pleasantly surprised to find out that this trinket procs off of white crits, Seal of Command crits, and also Judgement of Command crits.

Since Judgement of Command is technically a spell, I was especially surprised to see it proc off of it, but it makes the trinket one of the best in the game for Ret Pallies, since JOC crits about 70% of the time and is usable every 8 seconds. I can also confirm the ~45s hidden cooldown.

Комментарий от 18009

BEWARE OF IMPOSSIBLE DROP...

I'm exalted w/ CoT and only seen this thing once... the stupid hunter who won was on his FIRST RUN to the damn place... my advice: if you're putting a grp together for the sole purpose of getting this... don't invite any other melee and have a pally tank... stupid thing...

Комментарий от 18009

Trying to calculate my proc chance... will this proc on an OH crit or just MH

Комментарий от 7785

52 BM runs (not all full clears and yes I'm Exalted and have Riftmaker) and I haven't even *SEEN* this trinket, let alone been able to roll on it.

Sigh.

Комментарий от 75411

I am an arms spec warrior love this trinket procs very often 1 time per min on avg. I use this with abbucus of violent odds. I also use trinket menu addon. With core of ar'kelos when core is on cooldown I swap it with abucus the attack power on equip is a diff of 12 but for the few sec that it is applied I get a 200 attack power bonus from the cores activation. Then I switch back to abacus between fights works realy well. According to damage meter I am pulling upwards of 700-1k dps on single mob targets as an arms warrior. So I cant complain any.

Комментарий от pandaman

I've no idea what people are on about "Hidden cooldown", i've had mine Proc back to back as a BM Hunter, one time the 10 second duration was refreshed as it got down to 2 seconds remaining.

Maybe it was changed recently?

Комментарий от Spindel

Another thing to remember is that, when raiding, this is something you simply don't have to worry about. It just does what it does, on it's own. Comparing it to a trinket you have to pop manually gives you a best-case comparison favoring the other trinket. In the real world, you may forget to pop a trinket for some seconds, wasting potential buff time.

Комментарий от 18009

stupid cooldown... I'd have this thing up ~100% of the time as would most rogues...

Комментарий от Garrum

Unfortunately this trinket isn't quite as good for Retri Paladins as it is for Dual Wielders/Hunters - it is quite a lovely trinket and one of the best you can find.

I disagree. Retribution is a crit driven spec, a little like Moonkin Druids, except even more reliant on crits. DWers need +hit more than they need +crit. We have to keep Vengeance up, and to keep Vengenace up we have to keep critting. The passive crit rating on this trinket alone is reason enough to use it over a Bladefist's Breadth, and the proc is superior to the proc on the Skyguard Silver Cross for instances (Skyguard Silver Cross wins for farming hands down though).

The only time I don't use mine is when I'm in a group with a Feral Druid, and my crit is pushed up to where I feel more comfortable just using 2 AP trinkets. And I don't see myself trading it for anything but a Tsunami Talisman right now.

Комментарий от 42236

does this really work properly?
several players claim having seen prog this trinket at least 2 times in 45 sec,but the majority supports the 45 sec cd opinion.

could it be that dual wielders have a (buggy) chance of progging it twice every 45 seconds, because the cooldown only affects every single weapon? GMs don't answer to such questions as always...

Комментарий от 37463

If I can add my own 2c here, what I think is interesting is that unlike many other trinket that add a flat bonus to output, this one ramps up the better the rest of your gear is (or at least how much crit you have) because of the proc. If you are covered in greens and someone else in the group has descent gear and stands to benefit from it... let it go and come back for it another time. Also, although I agree that someone with a 2H can benefit from it a fair bit with good gear, I still think it will have far more benefit to a well geared dual wielder. It will simply proc more consistently for them.

I picked one up when everyone else didn't want it and in 30 mins of farming couldn't make the thing proc with 19% crit

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30627#comments
See the comments here by zigl for some numbers on overall chance to proc.

Комментарий от zenmastervex

Note that with the rogue talent Deadliness 5/5, the bonus is 330ap, which equates to 24 DPS for the duration of the bonus.

Комментарий от 86496

OMG- I have run BM about 35 times and this trinket dropped once to which I was out-rolled by a fury war. 35TIMES.. I can do this fight while folding laundry or making toast. This trinket is awesome, with Improved aspect of the Hawk proc, Thundering Skyfire Diamond proc, Rapid Fire and an AP trinket at 32%crit... holy crap that is like 3000dps.. C'mon BliZz - why do u hate me so much?

Комментарий от 14992

Using this along with Tsunami Talisman is the best choice Survival hunter can make

Комментарий от trojannyc

I just got mine last night. It proc'd on every mob in the instance after I equipped it. I must say, it's an awesome upgrade over the Hand of Justice I've had equipped forever.

Комментарий от 18310

Good luck in your search for this. Since I started counting, I have run bm 26 times and only saw it 3 time. Each time, a rogue outrolled me. I'm 999/1000 exalted. Talk about bad luck!

Комментарий от 92554

So to summerise, has apx a 25% chance to proc on crit and has a 45 second cd.

Комментарий от 113694

I'm a little surprised this falls so low on Emmerald's list of druid sustained dps trinkets. Always being crit chance starved (if you live and die by Toskks model), pairing this with another AP equip/AP on-use trinket would be an amazing combination.

And I'm with the poster who commented on the benefit of "on equip" trinkets versus "on use". Sure, you get trained to pop your AP trinket before a Rip, but when you're also keeping an eye out for back-up heal, or raid AoE damage warnings, it's just another thing you can forget about having to do.

Комментарий от Xystophoros

He didn't say Bladefist was a proc, he was asking: If this procs, and you pop Bladefist, do the AP bonuses stack on top of each other?

And the answer is yes.

This trinket is ridiculously good. Even after the last couple of patches introduced new and better trinkets, this is still near the top of the list for physical damage dealers. If you don't have DST or Berserker's Call, you're still in good shape if you have the Hourglass equipped.

Комментарий от toob

as a fully pve epicced fury warrior i crit allot :) and with this one on i can say.. amagawd?
really lovely piece of trinket right there ^^

Комментарий от Sillybeans

My LONG Opinion!

Ok so the hidden cooldown is 50secs, if this is a melee class 10seconds is MORE then enough to proc it using abilities and white hitting. So 300AP every 1min, is a lot better than 276AP every 2min. 13.2AP is 1dps (from what I worked out on my rogue) is nice to have AP buffs up longer although adding the times the bloodlust broach does last twice as long giving about the same length even though the hidden cooldown is shorter. However! Many class’s get extra benefits from crits, yes yes AP is good and all but a crit is 200% more dmg MORE even if u don’t include talents.

It depends on spec alone, If u have crit talents take crit, if u have AP talents get AP. Best way is for warriors flurry is 25% more haste that’s 25% more hits and 25% more dmg even though u get more dmg with bloodthirst and 10% more AP in berserker is having that extra AP going to compete with 25% more dmg from having flurry up longer? If u feel flurry is always up for your shaman/warrior then AP maybe, but shamans only get + 10% AP on criting aswell.

Here’s how I do it!
1st of all find out the crit u get from a trinket then items the crit % by the % extra dmg you get (incl talents eg: lethality) so 1.6% crit x 230% (rogue with lethality) = 3.68% more damage, and 72AP/13.2=5.45DPS (do the offhand aswell so for a rogue that’s got talents it’s the same as MH dmg) 10.9DPS total from 72AP, if 10.9DPS is more than 3.68% more dmg (to find out get your average dps and times by 3.68%. or if there nearly the same go for the 1 with the better second effect (hourglass has some extra AP and lasts about the same roughly).

If I made any mistakes this is just taking my knowledge from top of my head.

AP is good, Crit is Better, Haste is even better but chance for a extra attack is the best. (Dont go is 5crit chance better than 72AP ur a fool if u do) For Pve max out hit+ then focus on these little babys cause what u dont hit AP crit haste and extra attacks arent even going to hit.

(Ha i fixed the post before some1 posted about the mistake XD)

Комментарий от Sillybeans

True but say its nuke time? , you pop cd's (Adrenaline Rush, Rapid Fire, Death Wish, sweeping strikes, ice veins etc) you use effect trinket can be used to get full benefit from your cd's regardless of the few secods you missed u can easily make up for it when ur ensured its proced in your nuke phase.

I have no use trinkets, but being a orc i have my racial, i mave it macroed into elemental fury. I pop this cd when i pop bloodlust to get maximum effect.

The trinkets i use seem to have a much smaller cd, they're for spell casters tho.

Комментарий от 28140

will the proc stack with the Skyguard Silver Cross AP proc ? if it does - does it matter which one procs first ? or they'll stack regardless ?

Комментарий от Bandcamp

I hate the Epoch Mender... I want my Hourglass, but he will drop nothing but that staff.

Комментарий от 182068

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28034 improves to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30627 (melee)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28418 improves to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30626 (caster)

Комментарий от 238105

Been testing this for hours on end alongside Berserker's Call, against Bloodlust Brooch, Ashtongue Talisman of Swiftness, and Battlemaster's Celerity (MM hunter). Sustained DPS for 8 minutes, and the Hourglass comes on top every single time. Although I've been unlucky enough to grab neither DST, Tsunami Trinket nor Madness of the Betrayer, I have to say I'm still impressed by this lowly level 68 blue. Raiding SWP with a blue, idunno... Facts are, this is still a great thing to have. Grab it, it's fine.

Комментарий от 5864

Does the proc rate lowers above Lvl 70 ?

I'm wondering if I should keep using it or ditch it in favor of "Warsong's Favor" (306 AP on use 2 min CD, same crit rating bonus on equip)

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