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New Ghostcrawler Blog: Achievements in Mists of Pandaria

Опубликовано 2012-05-08 в 08:59 Ashelia

We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.

Комментарий от hba2cmom Will this apply to things like certain Reputation grinds or professions such as Archaeology- which I have maxed on one toon, but I am beyond LOATHE to do on any others? lol Комментарий от aburkey wont this cause achievements such as (Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней / Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней) to be easy or trivial with the changes to achievements? Комментарий от milalyr wont this cause achievements such as (Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней / Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней) to be easy or trivial with the changes to achievements?Комментарий от lordlundar wont this cause achievements such as (Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней / Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней) to be easy or trivial with the changes to achievements?Комментарий от Adamsm wont this cause achievements such as (Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней / Не имей 100 рублей, а имей 100 коней) to be easy or trivial with the changes to achievements?Комментарий от lankybrit I'm looking forward to the Account-only ones. I really think the others are silly. Why do people feel the need to have an achievement on a toon they haven't done it on? But anyway, you get your wish, and I get mine.

Cheers. Комментарий от Adamsm Why do people feel the need to have an achievement on a toon they haven't done it on? .Комментарий от pewpewx Nice change. Комментарий от mailboxhead oh, thank god on getting a yes for achievements shared cross account. was definitely feeling hemmed into just playing my shammy(which has about 10k) instead of even attempting a monk as my main. achievements may be a silly thing to care about in general, but I'm still proud of getting some of them and wouldn't want to just toss em to the wayside after logging so much time into getting them in the first place. Комментарий от lankybrit So, all your toons share your achievement points? So if I have a 9K point main, my new level 1 will also show 9K points?

I guess we will just need to get used to seeing these as account points, rather than toon points, and everything will seem normal after a while.

Cheers. Комментарий от Savario15 Why do people feel the need to have an achievement on a toon they haven't done it on? .Комментарий от Adamsm Why do people feel the need to have an achievement on a toon they haven't done it on? .Комментарий от dakoa If i understood this right u will get achives From toon A to all other toons. But if toon A have we say 11k on achives then u create a new Toon he will get all achives but have 0 achive points but have all achives there, and get points when he does then? Комментарий от Voltt Why do people feel the need to have an achievement on a toon they haven't done it on? .Комментарий от Azrile They are doing it the smart way. As an altaholic, I hope they include a lot of account only ones.. like having a lvl 90 of every class, having a lvl 90 both horde and alliance. Having every profession maxes. Maybe ones like having 5 characters with max cooking. Комментарий от Arrd They are doing it the smart way. As an altaholic, I hope they include a lot of account only ones.. like having a lvl 90 of every class, having a lvl 90 both horde and alliance. Having every profession maxes. Maybe ones like having 5 characters with max cooking.Комментарий от castorjay I wonder how this will apply to the "get 100 victories in ___ battleground". Will I have to get all 100 wins on 1 character, or will all my character's wins be combined into 1 achievement? Комментарий от felhunter now i can finally make a pvp toon for spefic achievements. instead of having to do on my raider main :D

sounds good to me Комментарий от Mudpuppet The account wide achievements are nice and if you got to see Diablo at all, you'll be familiar with some of the basics (if not wait a week and you'll understand first hand).

The HK and money achievements are nice ones. I pvp a lot, but I've done a lot less as well in the past few years (really don't like arenas), and 250k HKs would take me forever to finish with the way IRL goes right now. It makes me sad the number of twinks I've had that have easily gotten 10k HKs and have long since been deleted.

Mounts are also nice. I always wanted the Baron mount for my warrior but after some 400+ kills with no luck, the drop was upped and I got it on my mage instead. The fact I can share things like my spectral tigers and other rare achievement mounts with all characters means more mounts will be used (to match armor etc). This goes with pets as well.

The changes really reward the player now more so than the character. I got battlemaster on my mage years ago, but I can feel better about displaying the title on any given character to say, hey, "I" did this, this was my hard work and time, and not limit it to just one character.

It also gives me some comfort to want to take other characters to do things instead of feeling like I absolutely have to play my mage. Don't get me wrong, I love him to death but it is sometimes more helpful for a group of friends for us to all get an achievement if I tank so someone else who doesnt have a tank can still come help out. Комментарий от Mudpuppet I wonder how this will apply to the "get 100 victories in ___ battleground". Will I have to get all 100 wins on 1 character, or will all my character's wins be combined into 1 achievement?

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