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Fireball not only has better scaling than this, but also higher base damage. In pure DPS situations, Fireball will always win out.

Where this spell shines is if a fire mage needs a slow, where it will do more damage than Frostbolt because of talents. I could see it being used as an opener on mobs, making it more likely the mob drops before he reaches the caster.

More importantly, it also allows fire mages to use "fire" spells on fire-resistance bosses, such as Supremus, while not having to resort to respeccing (especially while learning the encounter) or simply doing drastically less damage.

Does anyone know if this is still castable on fire-*immune* mobs rather than just resistant? I assume it is, but just wanting to make sure, Blizz has done weirder word tricks in the past.

EDIT: This is probably incorrect. If Frostfire benefits both from Fire and Frost damage-boosting talents, the bridge in the +dmg scaling can be made up. See the post by nZifnab and my reply below.

Комментарий от Harutan

this may be my hopeful delusions of a good elemental spec...but does any1 know if this is going to be affected by both ice shards AND ignite? if so...i could imagine it all, the crits would do double dmg and then burn for 40% of that....i know it says it will do frost damage if they are more vulnerable but *shrugs* blizzards messed up tooltips in worse ways.

Комментарий от nZifnab

Frostfire bolt is going to be, quite possibly, the saving grace for mages come WOTLK. The way the spell currently works on beta is that it is affected by any talent or mob-debuff that states that it affects "Frost spells" or "Fire spells". Additionally it is affected by any talent or mob-debuff that states it affects "Frost damage" or "Fire damage," but only if the spell is dealing that type of damage.

Read this article for more information about it's talent benefits:
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/12/arcane-brilliance-why-frostfire-bolt-could-change-everything/

If we look at frostfire's spell description:

Launches a bolt of frostfire at the enemy, causing 722 to 838 Frostfire damage, slowing movement speed by 40% and causing an additional 90 Frostfire damage over 9 sec. If the target is more vulnerable to Frost damage, this spell will cause Frost instead of Fire damage.

Frostfire can interchange between frost or fire damage if the mob is more vulnerable to one over the other. I'm not sure how blizzard plans on calculating which the mob is "more vulnerable" to, do they base it off of a combination of resistances, debuffs, and your own talent choices? Or is it only a mixture of these? Who knows, testing would need to be done to know for sure I suppose.

Moving on! There's a few diferent specs available for the spell that will change it slightly. Obviously, to use this damage as your main-nuke, you need to spec elementalist, so we will be ignoring the arcane tree for the benefit of this discussion. To append to that, we are going to be focusing primarily on raid PvE DPS rather than PvP, because I'm still of the opinion that deep Frost will be king of mage pvp specs.

Let's begin by compiling a list of talents that specifically, consistently, and always benefit Frostfire Bolt:

Fire

Impact
Ignite
Flame Throwing
Burning Soul
Master of Elements
Playing with Fire
Critical Mass
Fire Power
Pyromaniac
Combustion
Molten Fury
Hot Streak
Burnout

Frost

Elemental Precision
Ice Shards
Piercing Ice
Icy Veins
Frost Channeling
Shatter
Winter's Chill (Both procc and debuff benefit)
Winter's Grasp (Both procc and debuff benefit)

Now, obviously, you can't get all of these talents because you just don't have enough points (c'mon level 90!) But there are some very...very interesting combinations mixing them together. Let's examine a few.

Elementalist - Fire Focus
0/50/21
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVgRzfcI0eR0zAZbAMco0Lo

This build focuses more on the pure pain of the Fire build, while still grabbing the most important pain-inducing talents from Frost. Here we are assuming that your frostfire bolts are dealing Fire damage, which I think may well be the case in the majority of the expansion, which allows us to utilize Scorch for a nice debuff boost.

You get a total of 297.5% damage on crits, which could be boosted beyond 300% with chaotic meta.

Then we also get bonus damage to our spell (16% from Fire Power and Piercing ice, although I believe these affect the base damage of Frostfire bolt, and do not get additional boosts by having more spell power gear, then another 3% from playing with fire, which affects the actual hit of the spell, including gear and talents).

We also get +9% to crit, -6% mana cost (-21% to mana cost if you go 3/3 Frost Channeling and 1/5 Shatter, I guess this change depends on how many mages are actually keeping up a Winter's Grasp debuff), and 30% refund of mana on crits.

This spec looks very powerful, but you will need to rely on other more-deeply frost-focused mages to keep Winter's Chill and Winter's Grasp up. If you don't have 2+ mages keeping Winter's Grasp up you might consider changing the shatter points into Frost Channeling.

Elementalist - Frost Focus
0/27/44
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVg0zfcs0bZbAMcofxoisMzh
or
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVgM0fcc0bZbAMcofxoVqMzh

The idea here is to get the Water elemental, but imo you miss out too much in other areas to make this spec worth it.

Elementalist - Mixed
0/33/38
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVgM0fcc0xRZbAMcocxoVqM

I've seen this build mentioned more often than the other two posted here, probably mainly because you can still grab Winter's Grasp, and extend yourself a significant way into the fire tree. There's no doubt that at least someone is going to need Winter's Chill, at the very least, so someone in your raid should probably be this spec if going Frostfire Bolt.

We get Ignite and Ice shards, allowing our crits to deal a total of 280% damage (down from the 297.5% of the deeper fire build).

We get +6% to crit on the spell (down from the 9% of the deeper fire build).

Since only scorch, or Arctic winds can affect the spell at a time, and never both, we gain no extra benefit from adding Arctic Winds to our talents.

The mana cost is reduced by 18% (down from 21% if you got frost channeling in the deeper fire build, but up from 6% if you went shatter instead).

You now have the ability to proc Winter's Grasp, which synergizes well with Shatter to boost damage by incredible amounts (280% per crit, +50% shatter crit rate for 5 seconds after a 10% proc chance).

Essentially you sacrificed some of the boost to damage & crit talents in fire to get down to winter's grasp, which very well may be worth the loss.

Conclusion

I don't really think the deeper-frost build (to get water elemental) is worth the loss in such a large quantity of fire boosting talents.

One of the mages in the raid should probably be the mixed build for Winter's Chill and Winter's Grasp...of course the more mages with Winter's Grasp, the better, since the proc will be up for longer periods of time.

The deeper-fire build has the highest DPS, if you ask me, but sacrifices substantial amounts of mana to do it. If you have mages in the raid with Winter's Grasp, and you go the deeper fire route, you're going to want to get shatter in frost instead of frost channeling (although, that 10% threat on frost channeling may be needed), so that your Frostfire bolts and ice lances can gain a proper advantage when winter's grasp is on the mob.

Although, if all of your mages go the Winter's Grasp route, it's going to be up there for maybe 40%-60% of the fight (depending on how many mages, among other factors like is there a hidden cooldown?). It lasts 5 seconds which means when you see it up (get a mod that alerts you when the mob is grasped) you can finish your current spell (would be a waste of dps time to cancel a spell mid-cast just to lance), and then throw a couple of lances lance (1 frostfire + 2 lances can be cast in under 4.5 seconds' time).

If this spell remains how it is, I don't see people continuing to raid with Fireballs or Frostbolts...the new raiding spec will easily be elementalist with Frostfire bolt. Whoever said mages aren't being buffed in the expansion? This one, single spell, is exactly what we needed.

PS. Arcane still sucks.

Комментарий от lsfreak

Comparing a 50/21 versus 57/11+3, I'm ignoring haste and Hot Streak (unsure of how to include it). Assuming a decent level 80 raid group, including one Malediction warlock and shadow priest in the raid, as well as a moonkin and an elemental shaman in the group.

At current best-in-slot gear, a mage will be running about 1500dmg and 34% crit, as well as haste that I'm not including for simplicity, and because it affects both equally. (Using this as a comparison, assuming current best-in-slot will be viable for ealry raiding just like T3 was for T4).
Fireball: 2032.94dps (actually 5% more, because of 4pT6)
Frostfire: 1973.21dps

Leaving crit unchanged but boosting spell damage up to 2200 (a very rough guess at what very good early-T8 gear would look like, based on best-in-slot-vanilla being about half the +dmg of best-in-slot BC and assuming WotLK ends with T9), it becomes:
Fireball: 2631.3dps
Frostfire: 2546.5dps

However, a Frostfire-based spec benefits more from crit, by far, than Fireball (Frostfire gets 320.25% damage on crit with CSD, versus Fireball's 230.125%). This makes Hot Streak a bigger factor. Other things to consider are any mages specced into Winter's Chill or especially Winter's Grasp, as well as back-to-back Icy Veins (with Cold Snap, preferably sub-20%).

My guess would be that Fireball's superior scaling with +dmg will be far outstripped by these, whether or not my assumptions are very on-mark, unless Blizzard changes something drastically (like only benefiting from Fire or Frost talents).

EDIT: I doubt it would be worth-while to cast Ice Lance during Winter's Grasp. Ice Lance doesn't benefit from the Fire talents, it scales incredibly poorly with +dmg or +crit, and if it happens to hit a fraction of a second after Winter's Grasp due to lag or other factors it's a *severe* drop in damage. It might be viable to do this in PvP or the like for extra burst, but is probably too unreliable in raids, even as a 34/37 build (which is looking better and better to me by the minute).

Комментарий от chemchris

this might have potential if utilized in a hybrid frost/fire build.

Комментарий от Shuror

2/2 Molten Fury is far, far better than two points in Playing with Fire.

Комментарий от Sunstealer

IF, and i'm emphasizing the word IF, frostfire bolt is effected by all of the frost AND fire talents that effect damage dealt by frost/fire spells... then this will probably be your best spec for the elementalist build...

0/36/35

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVxMzfMf0eRZbAMcocxoVa

taking one point out of Master of Elements for playing with fire (1% more dmg, meh...) and i chose to take ice barrier over the final 1% dmg from arctic winds... guess that's a survivability preference for me.

Cold snap will be nice for double IV and an extra iceblock too... idk, put a point in something else if you like lol

Flamethrowing is useless imo... seeing how frostfire bolt is already 40yd range it seems rather silly to make it longer... idk, scorch is only 30yds but that'd be something you'll either have to deal with or sac some dps talents... or the rest of MoE... guess we'll see how it plays out.

Anyways... this all depends on whether or not Frostfire bolt actually does get these bonuses like we think... but the way it's reading now, it's appearing dismal... until i see a blue post or something from beta it'll remain a distant and faint hope in the back of my mind =/

Комментарий от Gnomey

my spec will be: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVg0zfcs0tRZMAGIocx0V0M

this is what i get from these talents:

- 19% mana cost reduction
- 17% crit chance increase (67% when winter's grasp is active)
- 280% crit damage
- 22% extra damage
- 25% threat reduction
- 3% extra to hit (5% when winter's grasp is active)

all in all, i'd say that frostfire is going to be the reason i won't be fire after WotLK anymore ;)

Комментарий от faia

yay fire mage version of frostbolt....if you nto more into frost;)

Комментарий от Venusyl

mine will be : 0/34/07
Certainly the best pve (frostfire) template ever !

- 22% dmg frost/fire (Fire power5/5 + Playing with Fire2/3 + Piercing ice3/3 + Artic Winds4/5)
-18% crit (Critical Mass3/3 + Pyromaniac 2/3 + WinterChill) 68% with winter'grasp Proc
- Scroch Imp
- Molten Fury
- Winter's Grasp
- 20% threat reduction
- crit 280% (ice shards+ingnite)

Pyro is useless
Combustion is useless

Комментарий от Arrei

Do Arctic Winds and Improved Scorch truly not stack with each other for Frostfire Bolt? Has this been tested?

Комментарий от Gnomey

combustion is useless? it's about as useless as icy veign, a DPS boost for a short amount of time:

icy veigns: 20% dps boost, 20s duration, 3 min cooldown, 1/9 up time --> 2,22% dps boost
combustion: 1 extra crit every minute, basicly, 20 casts per minute, --> 5% crit chance increase
though i agree with you with:

Pyro is useless

but i don't see any other good talents to get to tier4, (maybe the 2% crit to scorch, the one you had) but ive always had a problem with scorch stacking: 4/5 crits in a row = massive threat early in the fight

Комментарий от aberration

but ive always had a problem with scorch stacking: 4/5 crits in a row = massive threat early in the fight

l2use rank 1 when stacking the first 5 scorches.

Комментарий от Gnomey

but ive always had a problem with scorch stacking: 4/5 crits in a row = massive threat early in the fight

l2use rank 1 when stacking the first 5 scorches.

yup, you're right,

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents2.html?tal=0000000000000000000000000000023051020023031300511200000002035033310035100230100200000

it is (for me)

EDIT1: new build
EDIT2: new build (again)

Комментарий от Szilvia

icy veigns: 20% dps boost, 20s duration, 3 min cooldown, 1/9 up time --> 2,22% dps boost

I just wanted to ask you if you think this is so useless for example a firemage who at 20% of the boss gets 20% more damage from Molten Fury, pops a Destruction potion, Trinket, Flame Cap, Icy Veins and gets Heroism/Bloodlust from a Shaman.

The 20% faster casting scales a bit better like that, don't you agree? :)

So the significant amount of extra damage boost it will deal is infact a lot more than just a 2,22% dps boost in overall. :)

Timing is everything my dear friend.

and p.s. about combustion, a mage crits anyway, and combustion just increases the chance of a crit, but doesnt necessarily do anything for higher dps output. Icy veins on the other hand makes sure you do 20% more dps for 20 seconds, if you can continue casting without interruptions.

Комментарий от gabbarabba

Anyone else notice something? as of now, this spell has 40 yard range not counting talents. If this stacks with range increasing talents, it would be all the more wonderful for PvE

Комментарий от Gnomey

combustion is useless? it's about as useless as icy veign

sarcasm mate :)

Комментарий от silentstryder

Fireball not only has better scaling than this, but also higher base damage. In pure DPS situations, Fireball will always win out.

I dont think this spell is to replace a Main Nuke spell.....as an Arcane Fire Mage, i see that spell as another DOT spell... giving fire Magi Fireball, Forstfire Bolt, and Pyroblast.

If i were in a Raid, i would let the Tank build some aggro, and Cast FrostFire, and then spam Fireballs for 9 sec and then another Frostfire to renew the DOT,and maybe sometimes throw in a POM Pyro for an additional DMG+DOT

Комментарий от hellsingfan

Here one frostfire bolt oriented build I created (sry I made it on the blizz talent builder but it is the most updated so far)

Комментарий от hellsingfan

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/wrath/mage/talents.html?tal=0000000000000000000000000000023051020123033310531200003002035330310005000030000000000 sry for using the blizz calc but I find it the best one, I think this build is going to be optimal if the talents stay the way there are for now and if the spell benefits from both frost and fire talents (open with scroch, when all stacked u start the frostfire bolt spam and once in a while renew the scorch effect)

Комментарий от manicmania

this adds a little spice to being a fire speced mage

Комментарий от savethepaperclip

Frostfire Bolt benefits from both, Frost and Fire talents.
List; Frost:
Iceshards
Frostbite
Permafrost
Piercing Ice
Elemental Precision
Winter's Chill
Arctic Winds
Fingers of Frost
Chilled to the Bone
List; Fire:
Ignite
Flame Throwing
Impact
Critical Mass
Fire Power
Pyromaniac
Combustion
Hot Streak
Burnout

Obviously, that's a lot. With a good Frost/Fire build encompassing things like Permafrost, Frostbite, and Impact: This is probably one of the best control spells for PvE solo and PvP.
It's certainly getting a spot on my action bar.

Комментарий от username409

I'm assuming since this spell has a slowing effect like frostbolt that it benefits from Permafrost and therefore Frostbite as well. True?

Комментарий от ryan7395

I know it says that the affect of the spell or whatever it is increased by all fire and frost talents and damage bonuses and stuff, but the range is still not increased, its fixed at 40 yards

Комментарий от Ishtar

What about Frostbite? Does it get those benefits as well?

Комментарий от Isaih

Question: If I get Permafrost which increases chill durations.. since the dot and slow effect is shown in a single debuff.. would the dot end up doing more damage, or would it ticks for less, but with an additional tick?

Комментарий от Kazzaking

mmk so to who ever said down rank scorchs hmm downranking in WOTLK...no gg kthxbai

As another topic you CAN spec for both imp scorch AND winters chill which is probably the best

Frostfire bolt makes Winterchill proc as if you were using frostbolts and there is a godlike inscription coming that makes imp scorch 5 sack no matter what

I.E. start boss fight-cast scorch once-5 sacks of fire vulnerability on already

With this spec you get http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVobRhIuVub0cZMAccocp0c

Ignite(assuming you all know what it does) this procs when you crit with forstfire bolt :)
Increased 6 yard range
-20% threat
30% refund of mana cost on crits
100% critical damage extra
Passive execute- 20% extra damage when your target is below 20%
13% extra damage
-16% mana cost
29% extra crit chance ( with Imp scorch and winters chill on )
3% spell hit
Icy Veins
Blastwave (filler but eh its better than imp fire ball lol)
Combustion
Cold snap (extra ice block for aggro drop)
Pyroblast (filler once again)

IMO this will be far superior to any spec except maybe this http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=ofxVbuMhzxGuMxcdfZVhc0o deep arcane (taking full advantage of the 30% increased crit chance when POM is active...arcane missiles arcane barrage rotation, these dont consume POM)

ONCE AGAIN IT COUNTS AS FIRE AND FROST AS AN EXAMPLE WHEN YOU CRIT WITH IT (I HAVE TESTED THIS) IGNITE WILL HAPPEN BUT ALSO EVERYTIME YOU HIT WITH IT WINTER'S CHILL APPEARS ON TARGET GET IT? KTHXBAI
*caps lock off*

Комментарий от dragbot

As another topic you CAN spec for both imp scorch AND winters chill which is probably the best

Sure you CAN spec them both but they dont stack since scorch and WC increase spell crit......

3.0.2 - On Debuffs, Buffs, and Raid Stacking 2008-08-28 18:12:09

With the release of upcoming content patch players will see a change in the way we allow buffs and debuffs to stack exclusively in a raid. For the most part, what this change means is that many buffs and debuffs that were previously allowed to stack together no longer can

Spell Critical Strike Chance Debuff: Improved Scorch, Winter's Chill

Edit:
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/9336795321-302--on-debuffs-buffs-and-raid-stacking.html

Комментарий от Oxiclean

Since Winter's chill and imp scorch no longer stack, imo

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfV0fRhIhVub0sxMAccocz

will be the best build.
Shatter and frostbite are useless from a purely raid standpoint since Fingers of Frost is now a self buff only.

Комментарий от Soef

Ice Shards, Ignite, and Burnout? I smell a serious nerf coming :x

Комментарий от Withersere

All spells will work off a percentage of base MP in Wrath, casting rank 1 anything will no longer be viable.

Комментарий от link428

16% of base mana is 522.88, according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Base_mana, for those who are interested.

Looks to be a hell of a lot more mana efficient than the 40/0/21 Arcane Blast build!

Комментарий от avattar

i think the imp frostbolt/ fireball talent should also benefit this. i clearly understand that if they stacked, then it would be way too OP.

An easy solution would be to either make them non-stacking, or maybe to swap one 5p talent on a higher tier of a school, with one of thier respective cast time reducing talents

Комментарий от mike54076

Not only do we get Ice Shards, Icy Veins, Combustion, Ignite, and Burnout, Empowered Fireball now affects the spell damage coefficient on Frostfire Bolt as well. With this change, I have no doubt that 0/50/21 is the premier raiding spec.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfV0bRhIhVubhsxhIcsocz

Комментарий от fuxtick3584

It takes the benefits from both trees. Ice Shards and all the fire goodies... It is really great for PvE for this fact. It only does about 150-200 dmg less than fireball, but the crits are larger and also effected by ignite. 0/52/19 @ 80 is doing about 1600dps in the Savage Gladiator blues you get in beta. By far better than any other PvE spec I have tried.

Комментарий от Solomonx

So i know that everyone is saying it is affected by both frost AND fire talents, but does it function as both? as in, will both Fire power (increases damage with fire spells by ten percent) and piercing ice (increase damage with frost spells by 6%) stack to a total of 16% extra damage? or is it useless to get both?

Комментарий от Styrofoam

In order for ice shards to provide more damage potential than improved fireball's 16.66666...%, you would need x crit rate (assuming 5/5 ignite and 5/5 burnout):

((2.25 * 1.4 -1) - (1.75 * 1.4 - 1)) * x/100 = 1/6
0.7x = 100/6 = 50/3
x = 50/3 * 10/7 = 500/21

That's approximately 23.81% crit rate. With 9% bonus crit from talents, you'd probably have to intentionally gimp your crit rate to dip below 24% crit rate. The 0.5 sec cast reduction also penalizes fireball's mana efficiency, so as far as frostfire bolt vs fireball goes, fireball is basically obsolete in beta build 9038.

Комментарий от sgottolo

the improved fireball coefficent penalty has been removed several tbc builds ago.

Комментарий от Sanderski

Due to this new spell, what do You guys think about this spec for PVP?
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ofcbf0MczZfV0fohZAI0Iobu0cz
Seems to be a pretty nice cuz of: shatter,+20 % spellcrit(from both winter chill and imp. scorch),POM for Pyro and a imp CS.
I cant wait to test this build in WoTLK :)

Комментарий от Spiderjon

Changes:
*winter chill and imp scorch don't stack, so you can drop one.
*arcane fortitude won't give you as much armor as you think. with 800 int, you'll gain 1200 armor which, unless you have a ridiculously low armor count, won't make that big of a difference in pvp.
*magic attunement probably won't be as useful if you're going to go frostfire spam. best to put it somewhere else.
*spell impact doesn't increase frostfire spell damage.
*the first 5 points are probably better spent in improved arcane missiles, since you're not going to be using many arcane spells. the pushback protection would probably be more useful.
*from what i hear, flame throwing doesn't affect frostfire bolt. put it into improved shattered barrier for another shot at shatter.

without deviating too much from the trees that you spent your points in, i'd change it up to be like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=o0xi0hMczZfV0cRZhIcIofu0cd

this gives you (damage-wise):
* PoM
* +6% damage on your first frostfire bolt, +18% from the 2nd frostfire bolt onwards.
* Shatter & +10% crit from Winter's Chill
* 280% damage on crits
* 3% increased hit
* Ice Barrier, and a 100% chance to get a shatter when they break it.

this is, of course, assuming you're trying to max out frostfire's damage while still tri-speccing. personally, i would choose deep frost/fire or deep fire/frost since there's more synergy there.

it's not bad for a tri-spec, but if you wanted to max out frostfire damage, you should try:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfV0cRMhubZhIfcocu0fdxbs -- deep frost
* +11% damage on frostfire
* +10% chance to crit from Winter's Chill
* 280% damage on crits
* 30% reflect / negate and gain mana = to damage caused
* Shatter, Ice Barrier + Shattered Barrier, Fingers of Frost.
* Water Elemental

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfV0cRhhuiur0sxhfccoch -- deep fire.
* +16% frostfire bolt damage
* +9% crit, +19% chance to crit with scorch stacked (protip: use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42747)
* 30% mana refund on crits
* 315% damage on crits(?)
--Someone check my math please *1.4(ignite)=315%
* -16% mana cost of frostfire.

Most of the answers to your questions are in the thread, like the green post near the top by nZifnab.

Комментарий от BrollyLSSJ

Will Ice mages be able to learn this Frostfire Bolt aswell from Trainer or is it for Fire mages only?

Edit: Ok, if i understand wotlkwiki correct, everyone can learn it.

Комментарий от Ienzo

What does this spell look like? I hope its kool like a intertwined fireball and frostbolt thats spinning towards their enemy. pew pew.

Комментарий от Ienzo

What does this spell look like? I hope its kool like a intertwined fireball and frostbolt thats spinning towards their enemy. pew pew.

Edit:Ok so i just saw the most recent looking version of frostfire bolt and i must say it looks sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgLcrCBHdo
Now all they got to do is make one hand glow blue and the other hand glow red when u cast this spell.

Комментарий от Ainell

What I want to know is this: if you get counterspelled etc while casting Frostfire Bolt, does it lock out both your fire and frost schools?

Комментарий от JPKhmer02

For the frostfire spec, I am going to try out http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVc0RhIuVubhstbIccoc
I like the Bonus Criticals

Criticals
With the Improved Scorch, it will give more chance to crit (10%)
Critical Mass +6% crit with fire spells
Shatter +34% crit on frozen targets
Combustion +10% each fire spells
Pyromaniac +3% crit
World in Flames +3% crit on Pyroblast

Total : 13% (All Spells) +6% (Fire Spells) + 34% (Frozen)

Additionnal Damages
Ignite +40% of your spell damage for 4sec
Fire Power +10% fire spells
Ice Shards +100% crit bonus frost spells
Piercing Ice +6% frost spells
Molten Fury +12% bonus damage with target less than 35% health (all spells)
Empowered Fire +15% of your spell power (Frostfire Bolt, Fireball)
Burnout +50% crit bonus fire spells

Total : 133% (crit - frost spells) + 127% (crit - fire spells)

Frost Channeling and Elemental Precision also reduce the mana cost of frost and fire spells by 13%
I am using Scorch, I know it takes more time to cast it but I want to do more damage

Conclusion
With all that bonus damage and those percent of criticals, you will have a lot of chance to make great damage with Frostfire Bolt criticals and hit around 6k-7k damage.

I hope, I did help you with your spec on Woltk

Комментарий от Embermage

Keep in mind that Imp Scorch and Winter's Chill do not stack so determining which one you want to use will lead you down the heavy frost road with water elements or a more crit based fire build.

I am going to run the deep frost built myself. I like the extra dps from the Water Elemental combined with the mana return.

Комментарий от Gogeta43

for your deep fire spec, why did you take impact instead of world in flames (instant pyro crit increase) and why didnt you take empowered fire? both of those would increase your dps

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVc0RhIuVubhstbIccoc

is something i would consider if frostfire bolt is highest dps, my main nuke and if mana is not much of an issue. if not, then i'd put the 18 points into arcane to get focus magic, impact and mana regen as either a fire or frost mage

Комментарий от Glimm

So I like the idea of the elementalist spec coming back, but this time for PvE.. anyway, things to consider:

Frostfire bolt has the same co-efficient as Frostbolt, right? as they're both 3 second casts, but with talents Frostbolt is taken down to 2.5 ... I understand a lot of theorycraft, but I'm no expert, so I wanted to ask here.

14% base mana for frostfire, 16% for Frostbolt, and 19% for fireball. It seems like with Frost Channeling, Pyromaniac, and Master of Elements that this build wont necessarily need the mana regen of Mage Armor, and so Molten Armor would be preferred, especially with this particular build benefiting from +crit more than any other build. Am I right to assume this ?

Also, is the rotation seriously just going to be Frostfire spam? Wouldn't it be higher DPS to weave in Living Bomb (and of course the insta-pyro when it procs)

Edit: I'm dumb, you can't have Living Bomb at the same time as Cold Snap, so here's another difficult theorycrafting question: Living Bomb vs an extra Icy Veins? Realistically with an 8 min CD on coldsnap, you'll only be able to gain 2 extra icy veins, and in order to gain 2 extra, one would have to be at the very beginning, so only 1 would realistically be during the last 35% of the Raid bosses health (for Molten Fury). I imagine Icy Veins would scale much better than Living Bomb will though.

Комментарий от silkfire

The question is, will this spell be affected by both Frost and Fire talents, or none at all, because it's neither pure Fire or purely Frost? But if it is affected by both, it will be very imba; affected talents: Ignite (DoT that procs on Fire critical strikes), Impact (chance to stun on hit with spells), Critical Mass (increases Fire spell crit chance), Playing with Fire (increases spell damage by 3%), Fire Power (increases damage of Fire spells by 10%), Molten Fury (increases damage done to targets with less than 35% health by 12%), Pyromaniac (reduces mana cost of Fire spells by 3%), Hot Streak (if 2 consecutive Fire spells crit, your next Pyroblast is instant), Burnout (increases crit damage bonus by 50% to all Fire spells). Notice that Flame Throwing does not affect FF bolt because the bolt already has a 40 yard range.

And the Frost ones: Frostbite (chance to Freeze a target in place), Elemental Precision (reduces mana cost and increases the hit chance of both Frost and Fire spells), Ice Shards (increases the crit damage bonus of your Frost spells by 100%), Piercing Ice (increases damage of Frost spells by 6%), Shatter (increases crit chance on Frozen targets by 50%), Frost Channeling (reduces mana cost of all spells by 12%), Winter's Chill (applies a stackable debuff on target), Brain Freeze (chilling effect spells will have a chance to make your next Fireball instant), Fingers of Frost (gives a chance that your chill spells consider the target as Frozen as well), Chilled to the Bone (increases damage of FF bolt and reduces the movement speed of your chilling spells additionally), Permafrost (increases duration and further reduces movement speed of chilled targets).

Комментарий от Biggreentank

Here are some questions:

and causing an additional 90 Frostfire damage over 9 sec.

Will this stack? Perhaps similar to ignite? If I am spamming Fireballs with my current 5% haste i can get off 3 Frostfire bolts in the duration of one of these..

Can it crit? Will it trigger Hot Streak?

How will spell damage be applied to this effect?

Комментарий от nedyseagoon

also can also activate frostbite. Best of both worlds.

Комментарий от godseeker

i think this is the best build a mage can get for both PVP AND PVE :
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ofci0ubIzxGzMtcdZhIMco0h

insane 300% critical strike damage (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=35581 + http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=15047)

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12577 (works with DOT ,30 Fire damage every 3 sec from frostfire) + http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31572 works with http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12043 too

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12042 insane 30% with only 2min CD
(http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44379)

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44403 this is the best one cauz this build focus on haste gears (and critical)

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31588 around 300+ spell power with wotlk items

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12497 + http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12983 assuming that
Movement slowed by 40% from Frostfire Bolt is a chill effect
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44399 + http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=18464 + another 30% mana reg while casting from mage armor +20% from the gliph ==>80% mana reg while casting==> NO MANA problem anymore
-insane 140 resistance to all spells from mage armor + arcane shielding + http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=29444
-arcane barrage has a 3 sec cooldown and frostfire has 3sec cast time so they make the perfect combo spells
with good haste items and trinkets ,less than 2 sec cooldown for arcane barrage and 2sec cast time for frostfire is possible
with http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12042 frostfire can critik for an insane 8K+ damage lot more than pyroblast

i agree that fire is much better for pve ,this build is the best for both pvp and pve

Комментарий от Jaiku

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVgRzfcI0eR0zAZbAMco0Lo

Critique as you will, I just kinda want to know what you guys think.

Комментарий от Norroar

I'm sorry, but I think your link is broken?
You've only used 45 points (54 level req.) in your talent build.

Regardless of that, it wouldn't be a good build what-so-ever.
Improved Fireball does not affect this spell.
You'd want 5 points into Ignite to increase your critical strikes damage by a good amount.
Improved Scorch and Critical Mass are really important too, as Frostfire Bolt relies alot on critical strikes due to the low hits and high crits.

That's just a few things ... not sure if your post simply was a joke or not, but please read some of the other comments before you post.

Комментарий от Darkomicron

So if i see this correctly

If you attack, say a mob that is more vulnerable to fire, and you have the Fingers of Frost talent and the Shatter, will Fingers of Frost proc? And will shatter also increase the crit chance of the fire damage by 50%?

Will frost talents buff the fire damage, and will fire talents buff frost damage? (And effects)

EDIT: Frostfire Bolt Spec. Wuddya think?

Комментарий от godseeker

this is the best build for PVE frostfire mage
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVf0ohIuVubhstbIccoc

Комментарий от ajz2k

improved scorch and winter's chill does not stack with eachother

Комментарий от drako

I am no theorycrafter expert but as a mage here's my view of the new wotlk pve spec. Keep in mind afterall it goes down to everyone's preferrence and even though arcane doesn't seem to be able to output the same amount of dps it's still fun and ppl might choose that over most dps spec. So anyway here we go, this is what I want to try in pve on my soon 80 mage :p

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage=23050021123033300531203003502033030310030000000000000000030000000000000000000000000000&glyph=101519000000 - 3/50/18

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12840 - because from the description it is unclear if the +hit is general or only for arcane, i'm hoping it's for all spells

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12353 - because that row in the fire tree is pretty much useless and in my opinnion it's better to have more range on scorch and fire blast over the stun effect. I know it doesn't increase the range of frostfire but now Scorch will have a range of 36yds instead of just 30 which is much closer to Frostfire's 40yds.

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=11129 - for that extra burst when the boss is below 35% hp, and I preffer it over the Blast Wave and Dragon's Breath since in a pve situation you are more likely to do focus dps rather than aoe.

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12497 - is basically useless but it gives you an extra edge when farming and stuff.

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55094 - for Icy Veins

I believe all the other talents are pretty straight forward so no explanation needed. The only things I would really like to know is if Arcane Focus gives +hit to all spells and if Burnout and Ice Shards stack.

Also do notice the glyphs planned to use and use of the Molten Armor but, if mana issues are to be met you can always change to Mage Armor and Mage Armor Glyph.

Any advised opinions?

Комментарий от Alcest

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZ0E0fR0humZhIcIscu0fz0b
This is my current build at 75. It's focus is FFB for single targeting, while using F Nova, CoC, B Wave, and the super-slow blizzard effect for AoE, so it is very capable at both. It also has Ice Barrier which has gotten a SERIOUS buff from lv 74-->75 *Rank at 74 absorbs 1098 damage, and 75 = 2800 damage O_o;* what do you all think of it?

Edit: Reason I didn't get Arctic Reach is cuz I didn't see the need for it... Until I reread it lol. Gonna grab it when I get home and respecc today :)

Edit 2:

Quote:
3/50/18

Why Arcane Focus...? O_o; I see no point in a 3% mana reduction and 3% chance to hit w/ ARCANE if all you will use is FFB and supporting fire/frost spells.

P.S.: Flame Throwing also increases the range of Fire Blast by 6 yards. Very helpful especially if combined w/ a Arena Seasonal glove, making it 31 yards. Much farther range for the very helpful instacast than 20 yards, as nearly ANY Specc can use FBlast in its rotation *All speccs I've tried: deep in one specc at a time, hybrids, elemental, frostfire, etc, I ALWAYS use FBlast :)*, and also: DBreath and BWave IMO are not useless. 2 extra VERY Good aoe spells may I add, for 1 point each? IMO I'd prefer those over a lot of things. Impact for one is useless in nearly any situation. Only a 2 sec stun, and it does NOT work on bosses =/ I'd take that point and put it in D Breath or B Wave, and find 1 more point to put in the other.

Комментарий от Gogeta43

this spell benefits from fire and frost talents, and if the mob is immune/ resistant to one school, it damages as though it's the other school. THe highest DPS has been shown by going all the way down in fire and only 18 talents in frost. the 53/18 spec grabbing talents that affect both fire and frost spells

yes frost talents buff the fire damage and vice versa

Комментарий от Norroar

I posted a screenshot some time ago, waiting for the upload (:

Комментарий от trissyboi9989

i actually like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZcEc0RhcuVubhZhIccochhc
as it grabs winter's chill, which will increase the chance for those big ol' frostfire crits with FFB spam

Комментарий от karbonii

This should be the highest DPS raiding build. You would use blizzard for AoE, and add in Living Bomb on longer lasting trash or bosses with adds.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVcbRhIhVubhctbIccoc

No fluff really, just good single target DPS. You'll want 2 points in Flame Throwing so you can stay at max range for Frostfire Bolt, and still be able to reach with your insta-Pyroblasts.

You will need a good amount of crit to make this work, but nothing out of the ordinary. For single targets, apply Living Bomb, get scorch up, then spam Frostfire Bolt. When you get a Hot Streak proc., throw out that instant Pyroblast at the end of your next Frostfire Bolt for some crazy numbers.

This is also good in fights where you have to be mobile because you can save the Hot Streak proc. (10 sec duration) for when you're on the move!

Комментарий от bhorowitz

fireball still wins in raids. no need for kiting in raids. in soloing u could open with it to slow down, which is nice if your frost, but if your fire its best to open with a pyroblast. for pvp best thing to do is to sheep, then pyroblast, then frost nova, frostfire bolt. then do all ur things b/c now u have a minor kiting ability

Комментарий от Tabmoc

I was never looking forward to getting this spell as a frost mage, to be honest I wasn't that excited about it.

Boy was I wrong.

When I hit level 75, I stayed deep frost but I threw some points into fire (mainly Ignite and Impact) just to test out this spell.

Frostfire benefits from both fire talents and frost talents, at the same time. In the same fight, versus the same mob, I had impact proc, frostbite proc, and ignite was ticking after every huge crit.

This spell is amazing, especially because it benefits from both fire and frost talents at the same time!

Комментарий от undeadchief

Fire or frost? which one is it more like who will know and maybe its both and it actully gets bonus to it from fire and frost

Комментарий от Regigo

First, I'd like to say this: Sorry for having such a bad lookig post, I'm new to this.. Please bear with it.

When I dinged 75 with my mage, I teleportet to IF, respecced to this: (the 5 points that hasn't been used, will go to frost. I'll take 3 points to Frost Channeling, 1 point for Shatter and then Cold Snap) and started to use Frostfire Bolt as my main DPS spell.

Frostfire Bolt has several advantages compared to Frostbolt or Fireball.

First Frostbolt

Unlike Frostbolt, this spell can trigger Ignite, Hot Streak and it benefits from Burnout.
They both have the same slow speed, so you won't lose that and both of them benefit from Permafrost and Chilled to the Bone too, but Frostfire Bolt has the DOT too. The Dot isn't that effective, but still it is additional damage.

Then Fireball

Unlike Fireball, Frostfire Bolt can trigger frost talents. The slow is great, and the critical strike damage from Ice Shards, makes the crit damage with Frostfire Bolt goes around the same numbers.
With the slow effect, this makes far more better spell than Fireball, in my opinion.
---

I'd like to bring up the statistics of Frostfire Bolt

Frostfire Bolt has 25% chance of making the target stop. 10% from Ignite, and 15% from Frostbite.
Well, same 25% goes to Frostbolt too, but not to Fireball.
My Fire spell crit chance is 20.30% (11.30% for rest of the schools of Magic)
So my spells crit quite often, and when they do they trigger Ignite so it is pretty good damage.

For soloing, Frostfire Bolt is a good option. If you're deep Frost, you'll survive longer, but if you're Fire, you'll deal more damage. Frostfire goes in the middle of these two specs.

Only spec that I've found bit better, is Arcane/Frost. With Arcane Barrage, Missile Barrage and Spell Power, the DPS should go higher than it does with Frostfire Bolt.

I recommend you all mages to atleast try out Frostfire Bolt spec, I really loved it, and I hope you would too. I hope I helped with atleast something.

Комментарий от EToaster

If you crit with a Frostfire Bolt on a fire-immune target, does Ignite work?
edit: It does not.

Комментарий от varj

Yawn, couldnt even bother to read all this more or less nonsense.

With a little common sense I came up with this, should do the trick

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVc0RhIuVubhstbIccoc

Комментарий от TokiLoki

So this spell makes fire and frostbolt obsolete then?

Комментарий от magek07

and for a acrane mage? is frostfirebolt not good then ?

Комментарий от truevengence

Well magek07 it isnt really good for arcane because it doesnt really elp them much. With deep arcane you have slow and you normal arcane spells and im sure with the right specs in arcane ou can do more damage. So no i dont thing it really helps arcane much.

And Lyyli you do have a point there. The reason not haing frostbite if anybody was wondering is that with Imp Blizzard it scatters the mob and makes it difficult to kill everything at once. But i do understand where you are coming from about impact, maybe they just forgot to take it off or just didnt see much difficulties with impact versus frostbite.

Комментарий от Alysandra1

Improved Scorch and Winter's Chill "Do not stack"

Also, you have hampered your "big ol' frostfire crits by not getting Burnout

Комментарий от Alysandra1

In case no one here realises, Frostfire bolt double dips from Elemental Precision gaining +6% hit instead of just 3% meaning you are able to stack more SP and +crit rather than +hit.

Комментарий от Helkyte

Assuming a build like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVc0RhhuVubGsthIccoc
And assuming all pertinant frost and fire spell bonuses affect Frostfire bolt -at the same time- regardless of what type of damage it's doing (fire or frost) then:

Frostfire from talents:
+16% damage (I'm assuming this is factored in after spell damage here)
+19% crit chance (Assuming stacked Imp. Scorch)
+15% Spell Damage Coefficient
+150% raw crit damage bonus (meaning crits hit for 2.25 times normal damage)
+40% damage from Ignite on crit

So if we take a baseline 2000 spell damage and 50% crit chance after talents and Scorch and stuff.. and because it makes the numbers pretty.

3142 average hit
3209 high hit
7070 average crit + 2827 Ignite = 9899 total damage
7220 high crit + 2888 Ignite = 10108 total damage

Adding in ticks at 30 damage/3 second for the DoT component of Frostfire Bolt (10 dps)

2184 average dps

Now using a fire/arcane Fire Ball spec such as this one, which is very similar: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0Vck0hZ0EcbRhhuVubust

Fire Ball from talents:
+16% damage
+19% crit chance (Scorch)
+15% spell damage coefficient
+50% raw crit damage bonus (Fire Ball crits for 1.75 times normal)
+40% Ignite damage on crit

And assuming the same baseline 2000 spell damage and 50% crit w/ Imp. Scorch etc., etc.

3840 average
6720 average crit + 2688 Ignite = 9408 total damage
3981 high
6967 high crit + 2787 Ignite = 9754 total damage

Adding in ticks of 29 damage/2 second from the DoT component (15dps, and completely ignoring the lovely Fire Ball glyph)

2223 average dps

So with these stats, Fireball just edges out Frostfire Bolt in average dps. This is because Fireball recieves a 115% spell damage coefficient after talents and Frostfire Bolt, as a 3 second cast recieves only 96.43% spell damage coefficient after talents.

However, as was mentioned Frostfire Bolt recieves greater benefit from critical strikes.

At a theoretical 70% crit chance and assuming the same talents and spell damage:

Frostfire Bolt @70% crit: 2634 average dps

Fire Ball @70% crit: 2594 average DPS

As you can see, the Elemental Frostfire build pulls ahead in average DPS at very high critical strike chances, while the Fire Ball build will pull ahead with heavy spell damage. Exactly when one is ahead of the other will depend on a combination of your spell damage and crit chance.

Комментарий от Evilmcgee

If I want to do a Frostfire Bolt spec for PvE which talent tree would it be better to go deep in frost or fire & which ever is better for PvE could anybody link some builds?

Sorry for bad spelling

Комментарий от karbonii

This has supposedly been fixed in the new patch.

From Ghostcrawler on the offical forums, about the change to Elemental Precision now affecting ALL spells:

'It actually does affect raiding mages and benefits competitive warlocks more than they realize. There was a bug where a Frostfire mage was actually double-dipping by getting 3% hit from frost AND fire or 6% total. With the change, it is always 3%.'

Arcane will technically be able to get 6% but they need it.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393389857&sid=1&pageNo=6#108

Комментарий от musicstar

One important note about this spell is that it doesn't pick up any of the talented improvements for range or casting time from either frost or fire trees.

Комментарий от Mythical

I find this spec to be the best in pvp:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfV0bRhhufZhIccofuhbdxbo
Has pretty much everything you need.

Комментарий от Lonkeroinen

When you shoot a Frostfire Bolt @ an other mage and that mage has either Frost/ Fire ward, how does the ward absorb the damage?

Комментарий от Pentinum

Current Best RAID Spec for Mages:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfVcbRhIhVubhctbIccoc

This spec includes the rotation using Scorch and Frostfire

Комментарий от magek07

BTW 2 points in flame trowhing dont need, you can put it where you want :)

Комментарий от Silverado

Whoever was posting spec's up there for PvE DPS I must admit something. Those are the worst PvE specs for a Mage I have ever seen in my life.

EDIT: Good job karbonii, you're the only person I've seen yet that posted a spec for PvE and isn't retarded. That's the same exact spec I came up with for maximum DPS. Everyone else is like 23/24/24 or something relevant to that.

Комментарий от Darkrainin

would http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=54749 be better than both http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=42945 and http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=42950?

Комментарий от EToaster

Drop Blastwave and Dragon's Breath (not really useful in a raid setting), and get 2/2 Flame Throwing instead. Even though it doesn't affect Frostfire Bolt, it's still very useful for upping the range of Pyroblast, Scorch, and Living Bomb.

Комментарий от Bluberry

For those curious, Frostfire Bolt does proc Brain Freeze.

Комментарий от specterk

For those worried about preserving their AoE and other utility with a frostfire build, give this a shot: Utility FFB.
This is the build I'm currently using at level 80 (though I maxed Frostbite and went 2/3 Ice Floes), and I actually prefer it to the cc FF raid spec simply for the utility. I like being able to hop into a BG or solo difficult content without respeccing, and Blast Wave, Dragon's Breath, Impact, 1pt in Firestarter (which is all you need for aoe situations--as you know if you've used it--since proc chance is calculated for *each* mob struck by the spell), and a couple points in Shatter really make for infinite possibilities.

Keep in mind, I tend to enjoy the challenge of soloing content that isn't designed to be soloed at all - so if those kinds of challenges aren't for you, you'll likely never use some of the potential of this build, and should probably stick to a cookie cutter for whichever role you are primarily filling.

The only talents I "give up" (not how I'd put it) are Playing with Fire (piddly damage at 1% per point), Burning Soul (redundant due to Frost Channeling and mythical, elusive creatures known as "good tanks" - and I have yet to meet a good mage that actually needed pushback reduction), and Master of Elements (also redundant, even more so now due to the mana regen buff to Pyromaniac, which is hardly needed with a FFB build in the first place).

If you raid less frequently, you might move one point from Ice Floes into Frostbite to max it out as I choose to do, but if you're obsessing over every iota of dps you'll probably want to leave Ice Floes at 3/3. (The "perfect" cone of cold with 3/3 Ice Floes really isn't remarkable in my opinion; if you are cutting your AoE maneuvering that close, you're doing something else incorrectly anyhow).

If you're a hardcore raider and your tank is... well, not... then you may want to move points from Impact into Burning Soul - but your threat really should be manageable with just Frost Channeling. If threat isn't an issue and you'd rather have a (very) slight raid damage increase rather than the control offered by Impact, then put the 3 points from Impact into Playing with Fire.

AoE: your aoe routine will be pretty much standard, except you have the potential to really put out the numbers with a combustion + nova + fstrike + bwave/dbreath (shatter) combo as needed or desired. Even without this, you can AoE kite indefinitely with cone of cold + arcane explosion strafe if you'd like - so really this is more applicable to a situation where you really need overpowering AoE dps ("yesterday, maggots!") and need to take care of bid'ness on your own. Start your routine as usual, with combustion + flamestrike; kite as desired or able, until you're ready to finish the group, then pop CoC, Dragon's Breath, Flamestrike, Nova, Blast Wave, and if somehow everything isn't 3x dead, blink away, wait for the mobs to regroup and use up your last instant Flamestrike. Combustion + Shatter = ... damn...

Edit: I thought I should add, for those of you who have no intention of ever raiding - the mana efficiency from 3/3 Master of Elements generally far exceeds that of 3/3 Frost Channeling with this build (and in all other instances once your spell crit is greater than 33.3%) due to the substantial crit over time increase granted Frostfire Bolt by Frostbite/Shatter (+5.1% when hit-capped and both are maxed); if threat isn't an issue for you and your FFB crit rate is at least 28.2%, always prefer Master of Elements for the sake of efficiency. So, for you pure soloers, here's your FFB build: Solo FFB

Комментарий от dhervey

The tooltip for Flame Throwing reads that it does not buff Frostfire Bolt. I've not tested this 1st hand.

Комментарий от Zefyron

for a massive AoE and frostfire dps,this is the specchttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=o
heres a good aoe strategy:gather mobs,frost nova,blizzard (massive crit dmg),while the mobs run to u,cast a flamestrike,once the r on u,cone of cold,then molten blast,instant flamestrike,dragon's breath,instant flamestrike,if theyr not dead yet,spam arc explosions

Комментарий от Zarupta

I am curious, as my mage has been fire all the way, will I never be able to do as much damage using Fireball as a mainly Fire, Arcane up to Arcane Meditation build, as I would if I spec'd for Frostfire?

Комментарий от Rufina

When figthing water "based" enemies (Water elementals), frostbite will have no effect. They are simply immune.

Fire "based" enemies (Fire elementals) are immune to Ignite.

Комментарий от specterk

Just wanted to confirm, as some people still aren't aware: double-dipping from Elemental Precision *has* in fact been fixed.

Комментарий от gilgamesh6

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

Комментарий от leathalguy

I have a question, http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18870 reduces damage on the first spell school cast on them so what school would get its damage reduced if you were to use this against them?

Just out of curiosity :P

Комментарий от Spicebringer

Speccing into frostfire bolt causes your fireball to still do more damage. It's not worth it.

Комментарий от Nazeka

What is the difference between Frostfire and Fire or Frost damage, and if I was a paladin on the receiving end, which resistance aura would reduce the most damage?

Комментарий от Kiefatar

I'm actually looking at a 18/41/13 build

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0Vck0cZfVc0MhIhVubhZbIc0o

I get both ice shards and ignite, but don't go all the way down for Burnout. I figure, in a raid setting, you should always be receiving the +12% damage from Torment, and combined with the fact that your sing FFBs, your going to generate it yourself too. No proc abilities, which may or may not be helpful, but I feel it may have some benefits.

Basically the question is if LB, Burnout and Hot Streak Procs > passive across the board 12% damage or not.

Комментарий от Poremm

SLUSHIE BOLT!

Комментарий от lmh86

Undocumented Class Changes
As of Patch 3.1.0 - PTR Build 9704:

Mage T8 2P Bonus -- Your Arcane Blast, Frostbolt, Frostfire Bolt, and Fireball spells have a chance to grant you 350 spell power for 15 sec.

As of Patch 3.1 - PTR Build 9722:

Frostfire Bolt will now deal damage based on the resistance of the target: This spell will be checked against the lower of the target's Frost and Fire resists.

Комментарий от ricekrispieslol

here is a math lesson for you: fireball+frostolt=target pwned. blizzard must love mages a lot to put this spell in WOTLK. also it can be even more awesome if u spec fire/frost, boy oh boy i love tanking with this spell. {when by myself} it has the damage of fire and the slowing of frost which is a deadly combination. XD

Комментарий от Pitufito

But do you forget something... Arcane is always better :P

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0icu0IzxGzMtcd0E00oZhI

Arcane Frostfire Spec whit Slow... PoM... Arcane Power... Arcane barrage :D
And the nice +150% Cirt + 40% Ignite

Arcane Rulz

Комментарий от Himmlisch

I just hit 75 on my Mage yesterday, and I had to play with a dummy... It's hitting for about.. 1800ish, give or take a few points. But, with Ice Shards and Burnout, it is critting for well into -Four Thousand-... Easily pushing my Pyroblast Damage in a 3 second cast, less with a little Haste here and there.

So, if you can't wait for this spell... Trust me. The wait is worth it.

Комментарий от godseeker

i agree arcane is better for overall situations but for full DPS ,frostfire focus is the best build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0q0u0fZfVMbohIhVhbhcZbI:Iido0m
get this build and just spam FROSTFIRE shortcut until boss down

you need 4 primal things in mind for this build :

---use molten armor (with the gliph ofc)
---your instant cast spells are not really instant casts cauz there is a 1.5sec global cooldown so dont be fooled by tooltips ,dont use instant casts (like fireblast) just spam frostfire and pyroblast when HOT STREAK occurs
---all your gems should be cc gems like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40124 and this meta http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285
---you need items with a lot of critical strike rating + spirit cauz more than 55% of your spirit = critical strike rating and your frostfire cc =315% damage

items like :

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46130
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45567
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45520
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45532
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46133
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45514
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45558
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45146
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45493
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45236
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45113
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40080
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40682
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37660
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45457

these are the most powerful items (right now) that goes perfect with this build ( you can add two other T8 to get http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=64869 ) i didnt add it cauz i dont like the term "you have a chance" but i know i should.

----with these items you get around 70% CC raid buffed (more than your dreams ^^)

if you dont agree explain why pls

Комментарий от godseeker

i agree arcane is better for overall situations but for FULL DPS this is the best build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0q0u0fZfVMbohIhVhbhcZbI:Iido0m
get this build and just spam FROSTFIRE shortcut until boss down

you need 4 primal things in mind for this build :

---use molten armor (with the gliph ofc)
---all gems should be http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40124 and this meta http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285
---your instant cast spells are not really instant casts cauz there is a 1.5sec global cooldown so dont be fooled by tooltips ,dont use instant casts (like fireblast) just spam frostfire and pyroblast when HOT STREAK occurs
---you need items with a lot of critical strike rating + spirit cauz more than 55% of your spirit = critical strike rating and your frostfire cc = around 300% damage

items like :

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46130
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45567
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45520
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45532
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46133
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45514
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45558
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45146
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45493
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45236
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45113
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40080
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40682
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37660
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45457

thease are the most powerful items that goes perfect with this build ( you can add two other T8 to get http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=64869 ) i didnt add it cauz i dont like the term "you have a chance" but i know i should.

---with these items you get around 70% cc raid buffed

if you dont agree explain why thx

EDIT: after some calculations i found that http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12953 and http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=12472 > http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44448 so right now i say this is the best FFB dps build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0q0u0cZfVb0RhfhVhbhZbIMco:Iido0m

Комментарий от cookzone

Well now that there is a dual spec option in the game, people can have one spec for Frostfire and the other for whatever they want it to be. I am so looking forward to getting to lvl 75 now.

Комментарий от Naughtelos

Pimp my mage:
Yo dawg, we put a bolt in your bolt so you can pew while you pew!

Комментарий от Gismokvack

The mystery remains; in which tab in the spell book is this spell added... in the frost tab or the fire tab. Which, when, WHERE?

Комментарий от Malakai0

Some of the specs listed here are retarded as pointed out above. There is a sticky at the top of the wowhead mage forum with the builds that actually work. You can shift a few points here and there but, especially for FFB builds, every point but 2 has a place it needs to go.

Комментарий от monkiman716

i love this spell. when my mage hit 75 i was wandering if i should respec to use it. when i started questing with it i loved it. i was originally a frost mage and i was doing about 1500 dmg. when i swith to fire/frost mix and using frostfire bolt i was doing 1900 dmg.

this spell is awesome to use against pve. u should definitely use

this is the build that i am using http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=8&tal=00000000000000000000000000000023052003003033300500000000003033033310032100230130000000

Комментарий от 1brice

Just to clear things up a little, this spell is affected by all fire and frost talents. If there is an exception, it will be stated in the tooltip of that talent.

Комментарий от 1brice

Just to clear things up a little, this spell is affected by all talents that affect either frost or fire spells except talents that specifically state in the tooltip that they do not affect Frostfire Bolt.

Комментарий от Amrun

This spell has a couple uses.

1) This spell has the longest range of any burst damage mage spell in the game. It can help you reach the turrets on the walls of Fort Wintergrasp, or pull an elite from a further distance (which, with the added speed debuff, makes kiting things easier).

2) If you build up a Frostfire spec (which is tricky), this will be your central burst spell. Frostfire Bolt can proc both fire and frost talent, which is what a frostfire spec is centered around.

Pros
- Has the same speed reduction effect as Frostbolt, but also has a small DoT.
- The DoT does nearly as much damage as Fireball's.
- Longer range
- Faster base casting speed than Fireball

Cons
- More mana costly than frostbolt.
- Does not do as much burst damage as frostbolt - though the DoT makes up for the damage, the DoT is much slower to deal damage and will usually not have it's full length expired before you renew it.

Overall, I wouldn't reccommend using this talent unless you have a Frostfire build. For PvP, the burst damage reduction could be the difference between death and life. For PvE, the burst damage reduction is harmful to your DPS, Fireball does more damage, and it costs more mana than frostbolt.

But don't be afraid to open up a PvP fight with a frostfire bolt, just for 90 extra damage.

Комментарий от unckle

For new mages ( new to lvl 80 ) the FFB specc is the second option in dps. Don't get me wrong on this, i'll try to explain why it should be the second option for dps.

Arcane specc : http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0wcu0IzxGuGxedcZbhc:Nzi
It requires only 11% hit ( for raid bosses ) , and it works fine even if you are low on crit rating - that's the problem of blue gear, you can have hit OR crit rating , only a few "pre heroic" items have both ( some have spirit and hit rating - those are BiS before you can get into heroics ) . The arcane specc can be used the moment you get to lvl 80 , no matter what gear you have on you - it boosts your spirit, intellect , spell power and mana regen ( remember that heroic bosses require far less hit rating than raid bosses ). Using FFB or FB/TTW specs will probably result in lower dps at this gearing phase ( the blue quest+dungeon gear phase )

FFB specc : http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#oZfVcbRhuhVubhsthIcco0h:diI
This specc wil require 14% hit against raid bosses and some 3-4% against heroic dungeon bosses . It is more dependent on gear than the Arcane specc above because you don't get "stat improving" talent - you have to provide the stats by using good gear ( ilvl 200 blues and epics from heroics , epic items from emblem rewards , etc ) . The talents give a large boost in damage for thespells that hit the target - and a huge buff to the damage for those that crit - so it is vital that you are hit capped ( a 10k crit in a 3 minute fight is a 55dps loss - if you get to miss 4-5 spells you are down about 200-300 dps , and that hurts a lot ). Having gear for more than one raid setup is important - you don't want to be above the hit cap because that will be just a waste of stats - if you have a 3% debuff on the boss you should only keep 11% hit on you and replace some items for some more haste or crit .

FB/TtW specc : http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0fcu0cZ0EcbR0IhVubhst:LiV
When using this specc it is clear that you have very good gear and your guild can set up a raid that has most of the important buffs / debuffs . This specc is really gear dependent - you need 17% hit (without raid buffs / debuffs ) , you need a lot of crit rating and spirit , and a huge amount of haste ( i was looking at the new T9 set bonuses - a mage can get some 55% crit with ilvl232 gear , and probably reach 65% in BiS gear -- that's b4 raid buffs! ). The community is almost 100% convinced that this is the end-game specc to have for max dps -- ofc there are some that think otherwise , but the majority is "ok " on the FB/TtW specc.

have fun

the above wall of text is ok for Boss fights --- for trash just put Living Bomb on all targets and watch the pretty fireworks while castin Blizzard on them . ( a Flamestrike is also good to be put down if the tank knows how to hold all mobs in one place )

Комментарий от Norrinir

Don't forget that the DoT effect might be very useful in PvP. Even though you want to avoid DoTs most of the time, as they don't go very well with Polymorph (unless glyphed), Frostfire bolt is very useful for mages who have no access to instant (or just short-cast) spell with DoT (such as Living Bomb) to prevent rogues from Vanishing.

Frostfire Bolt combines the advantages of both Frostbolt and Fireball in PvP. Full rank of Fireball followed by 1st rank of Frostbolt takes up to 5 seconds to cast (4.3 for typical PvP Frost spec - not counting haste) and isn't really mana effective. Frostfire Bolt on the other side is both faster and more mana-effective.

All you have to do, is to force the rogue to use Cloak of Shadows. If you have enough time to cast against rogue who burned his CloS, don't bother with Frostbolt and try to use Frostfire Bolt instead (well... it should be better choice in most cases).

Комментарий от Mussol

I haven't seen it, but as the spell takes the lowest resistance, i think the frost/fire ward won't absorb damage at all. It's only my thought, it may be wrong.

Комментарий от Benegesserit

I hope this will be the last amalgamation spell Blizzard gives Mages. I would prefer something unique. We already have more viable dps specs than the other pure dps classes, and immunity fights are just silly gimmicks and thankfully a lot less common in Wrath anyway. The worst part is getting a spell that will rarely see any use unless you spec into it or get the odd high resist fight (of course, this still requires a respec if you're Arcane).

EDIT: I think it would have been a lot cooler to just have had a minor glyph that made your fireballs or frostbolts look like this.

Комментарий от Cer0

Ok honestly don't even discuss PvP with this spell, it's purely PvE, why would i bother with a 3 sec frostfire bolt cast instead of a 2.3 frostbolt? seriously the only way to use FFB it's as an opener after poly that's it

Комментарий от Cer0

Oh and one more thing, this spell it's on the fire TAB because really going deep into fire tree for a FFB build its nice, going deep into the frost tree... it's not

Комментарий от risingcore

do the -1 sec fireball and -1 sec frostbolt talent also count as a -2 sec casting time for frostfire bolt ?

Комментарий от risingcore

just checked the frostbolt and fireball -1 sec casting talent doen not effect the frostfire bolt :(
to bad
a 0.5 sec 2k frostfire bolt would be nice
oh wel

Комментарий от bhorowitz

If a rogue kicks you while casting this spell, or if a mage counterspells, or a warrior shield bashes you, ETC... will it inturrupt frost school, fire school, or both?

Комментарий от asterot

this spec is good for pvp: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#o0ebbhMczxGuMtgdZhI0fo0h:zim0oc

Комментарий от Waauugh

Frostfire. So cold, it burns.

Комментарий от Soundfx4

P.S. My build doesn't have Frostbite and Shattered Barrier because they interfere with my AOE grinding. Having them would only increase the chance enemies are frozen and therefore the chance to crit with all abilities with Shatter.

You clearly haven't thought that decision through very well. Frostbite helps keep the mobs from reaching you when you're casting blizzard (as slow as they're moving they'll always get frozen in place again) and shatter barrier gives you a free Frost Nova, allowing for your frost nova to stay off of CD for if they get too close; You simply get them all around you and the second Ice barrier breaks blink away, put ice barrier back on and begin blizzard. I can see why you would think those might get in the way but they actually help a lot.

Комментарий от jjuurriijj

On screenshots it doesnt really look like a frostfire bolt. On high detail its more like a "thunder-vortex-of-pain"-fire bolt

Комментарий от Nurglitch

Just tested out a frostfire spec today for leveling and it is terrible.

Runs out of mana twice as fast as arcane or frost and doesn't do any extra damage.

I'm in basically best-in-slot lvl.75-ish gear and still OOM as frostfire. I don't OOM as frost or arcane. Arcane blast costs so, so much less mana than frostfire and does just as much dmg (or more)
Frostbolt costs so much less mana than frostfire, slows more with a frost spec than a frostfire-firespec, and with pet does as much/more damage than frostfiring. The 0.7 seconds off frostbolt makes it outrageously better.

It can be nice for lvling as arcane for the initial pull since it has a slow and it's 40 yards instead of frostbolt's 30 yards. Same cast time. But too expensive mana wise to try and spam it.

Комментарий от KristoferGrey

Let me state my opinion about this spell as pvp fire mage 4 life guy.

This spell is not ment 4 pve. It is a pvp analog of Fireball for pvp purpuses.
Resons:

It allows you to skip Inprowed Fireball talent, allowing u to spend your 1rst tier points in Imp Fire Blast and Iniciration. That meens that you whont overpoint 1 tiear to move on deeper in fire tree, there for allowing u to spend more points in other trees.
It gives snere wich potentialy can give ms effect and poc a root wich again potentialy can penetrate crit chance reduction.
And lastly, Fire/TTW build is more viable then FFB build 4 in pve.

Allot of people disregarded this spell as pvp spell cos of its long cast time and flaw of locking bouth fire and frost spell schools. But I think fire mage can have many tools wich allows him to cast it whith out interupting it or geting malee dameged:

Dragons Breath.
Frost Nova
Frost Bite
Burning Determination
Icy Veins

In conlusion, I think that changes in Fall of th LK patch only conforms my statment about this spell- Fireball 4 pve & Frostfirebolt 4 pvp.

Комментарий от fieryshadowcard

I've been doing a lot of frost pve since 3.3.3 hit, and I've been having a lot of fun as a result. Frostfire Bolt has some obvious relevance to frost specs (things that have already been discussed to some length on this comments page, at least in regard to the FFB spec benefits of frost talents), as well as some not-so-obvious relevance as well.

Frostfire bolt benefits from talents that improve frost damage, deals double damage on crits if the target is not immune to frost damage, and procs Fingers of Frost. While it seems that there is a small internal cooldown preventing frostfire bolt from reproccing Brain Freeze if it has recently consumed a Brain Freeze proc, I am uncertain as to whether such a cooldown exists for casting Frostfire Bolt during a non-BF moment.

FFB benefits from all slowing talents in the frost tree and can trigger frostbite (though my current spec has no room for frostbite, the slowing part is especially relevant due to Torment the Weak and the general concepts of kiting). The initial hit of FFB will add a stack of Winter's Chill; however, the dot damage at the end does not add any additional stacks when it ticks. For this reason, I also suspect that the dot damage does not proc FoF, Frostbite, or Brain Freeze, which I will do some testing on later.

It is an interesting ability that has certainly been a welcome addition and improvement to frost dps, but I wonder if Blizzard could do a little more with it. Competitive FFB-specs are fire-emphatic. Coupled with the fact that FFB for the purpose of categorization is in the fire tree, it seems that Fire has a firm grasp on this ability that seeks to bridge the gap between fire and frost, a much firmer grasp than Frost has to be sure. Outside of the newly added Brain Freeze procs and the general concept that FFB is essentially a flexible-but-not-as-powerful Frostbolt (for the purpose of Frost dps, it can proc and benefit from just about everything frostbolt can), I can't help but wonder if it can do a little more to serve Frost better, the same way it has synergy with fire. I suppose my biggest wish would be that the dot would have more relevance to frost. While it is true that the dot is basically the contribution Fireball brings to FFB, Fire mages generally glyph for Fireball, thus completely removing the dot (and why shouldn't they? Not only is the damage from the dot minor. It is also static and receives no benefit from spellpower, and would likely get refreshed ad nauseum before it finishes its ticks regardless). It would be nice if because the dot on FFB is Frostfire damage, it contributes more to the frost side of things. Being able to proc FoF, Frostbite, WC, or BF would make the dot less flavor and more integral to frost dps, as it would help to maintain proc uptime which has been the biggest obstacle Frost dps contends with right now; when nothing's proccing, frost dps suffers, but when everything is proccing, frost dps is impressive and engaging. The dot having a more important role (for procs rather than damage) would bridge the gap between everything happening and nothing happening by normalizing the RNG a bit more, and would also make Brain Freeze more integral to frost dps as a way to keep things going, not just to serve as a dps increase via an insta-cast FFB being better damage per second than a 2.3 second frostbolt (not factoring in haste, of course).

That's my two cents at least. I would like to see it become less "Fireball with a slow" and more "Frostbolt with a dot" if that makes any sense.

Комментарий от Shearlance

Frostbite = Scattered mobs, Shattered barrier also can = scattered mobs, making it hard to get them all in a neat group to AoE down.

Комментарий от Kleosi

Assuming equal frost and fire resists, how would a frostfire bolt affect a target with frost or fire ward up?
Does the spell actually account for shields like that too?

Комментарий от KristoferGrey

Does the spell actually account for shields like that too?

Комментарий от KainSoB

The biggest mage scam since the inception of Blink.

Also, an interesting piece of information:

Quoted from blue "Zarhym"

School lockouts will no longer affect both schools for multi-school spells.

So, as of Cataclysm, Frostfire will be perfect for Fire PvP.

Комментарий от Rathelas

Perfect Combo with most Frost talents and the Brain Freeze talent. Release few Frostbolts, and then instantly cast a Frostfire bolt with the Brain Freeze. Perfect for both PvP and PvE!

Комментарий от Vehemence

I've always wondered how it would feel to be struck by one of these...

You would feel cold, yet burning, or does it burns so much that it's cold? A frostbite effect?

Interesting...

Комментарий от forgottenring

In Catacylsm, this is lookin to replace Fireball as main fire nuke. With the Glyph of Frostfire prime glyph, FFB does just as much damage as Fireball, but also has a stacking dot that can be used in conjunction with your Combustion dot increasing its damage. The only thing you lose out on is FFB's slowing effect.

Комментарий от resoLVer11a

... So, is there any point in this spell in Cata? Since there're no hybryd specs anymore, I think it can only be used in PvP to swiftly put a DoT on rogue(when brain freeze procs). More then that, there're no talents which actually make this spell to advance against any of frost/fire primary spells. No x3.15 crits = no fun. :S

Комментарий от resoLVer11a

I can't share your optimism regarding the need for this spell in Cata PvE. Fire PvE spec requires crit for the Hot Streak's procs, and glyphed Fireball will have advantage here anyways. I could only find some usage for this spell in a handicapped frost PvE spec like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#k0oZfcZffbMsIszoo
Whenever you get Brain Freeze and Fingers of Frost, you can do a terrible terrible damage off fire's x2.1 crit dmg (which is the max possible in Cata for mages), it should work like the Hot Streak for frost mages.
Still, comparing the mastery bonuses of all specs, you'll barely want to actually use any frost spec for PvE.
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#kGIrMRhRroRobZc / http://www.wowhead.com/talent#khhZfchbkbRosfoc should do the thing.

Комментарий от fieryshadowcard

You're grossly underestimating frost's performance in pve as of 4.0.1. Terrible, terrible damage you say? Sure, frost is currently behind fire and arcane at present, but it's not too far behind fire and the 4.0.1 damage of arcane can expect to be nerfed soon in a ninja hotfix. I'm starting to get really irked by people who've spent all of their pve time in the two other specs, try something in frost for 5 minutes, don't understand it, then not only completely dismiss it but act as though they've been nearly as experienced with the frost spec as the other two, down to gear choices and spec (seriously, though. You spent like, what--two seconds linking a non-optimal frost spec with points in places they shouldn't be? Then in true frost-hating fashion you link not only an optimal arcane spec, but an optimal fire one as well).

Frost's mastery is actually quite good. With the changes to how FoF works, it is up almost all the time, and FFB-BF, Ice Lance, and Deep Freeze really benefit from this mastery in boss situations. In fact, the weakest thing in frost pve right now is Glyph of Deep Freeze, as it only affects trash (and Stormcaller Brundir >.>).

People's dislike of frost is irrational; they hate its effectiveness in pvp, they look down on it in pve, and if it ever became top dog in pve, rather than join the bandwagon like they've always done, they'd qq about how frost doesn't deserve to ever be viable in pve because arcane and fire bandwagon groupies wouldn't have anything to make themselves feel superior. Then again, why bother with different classes or specs? All dps should be spriests or arcane mages right now, right? Since that seems to be what's in as of 4.0.1?

Комментарий от BlueWarp

Right now this spell is bugged against mobs with high spell ress - done 218k with one cast.

Комментарий от pyrofrenzy

A good spell for Fire mage dps. it can replace Fireball in the rotation

from Elitist Jerks:

Primary Nuke: Fireball VS Frostfire Bolt

Fire Mages can cast either Fireball or Frostfire Bolt as primary nuke in their rotation. The DPS difference is trivial, but Fireball is superior by a very small margin: Less than 1%. Why's the difference so small?

- Fireball and Frostfire Bolt cost the same amount of mana
- Fireball and (Glyphed) Frostfire bolt do the same amount of damage

The only other notable difference stems from Glyph of Fireball and Glyph of Frostfire. Glyph of Frostfire Bolt adds a 3% damage DOT (stacks 3 times) whereas Glyph of Fireball adds 5% crit. The periodic damage of Glyphed Frostfire Bolt can crit, which will leave an Ignite for additional damage.

For Tier 11 levels of gear and combat ratings, the 5% crit from Fireball's Glyph is very slightly superior to the extra damage DOT from Frostfire Bolt's Glyph. There's no other difference, aside from aesthetics. Therefore we can sum up the primary nuke debate by saying:

Fireball as primary nuke is better, but only very slightly. The difference is small enough such that you could even opt to cast the spell you find most pleasing visually.

Комментарий от pyrofrenzy

What do you mean by that? The dps of the spell or dps using frostfire bolt in the rotation

Комментарий от Zerim

I've always wondered: What kind of object could be both burning and frozen at the same time?
I've come to a conclusion.
When a mage casts Frostfire bolt, it is, quite simply, a conjured Hot Pocket.

Комментарий от brosemon

Does FFB proc Ignite, yes the one in fire spec, seen a frost mage spec into ignite, figured hed be using this

Комментарий от Zwolf2062

Wouldnt having a high mastery in fire make this better then fire bolt if u have the glyph?

Комментарий от TwilightImp

This spell reminds me so much of Vaan's quickening : Pyroclasm

Комментарий от Raihley

it's going to sound well-worn, but I'll say nonetheless:

The way this spell looks makes you never want to cast a Огненный шар again.

Комментарий от silversmurfer

Has anyone notices that the duration of the slow is effected by haste? The base duration of the chill effect is 9 seconds but on my mage it is about 7.8 and I have roughly 14% haste. Removing haste gear increases the duration of the effect.

Комментарий от Kanariya

This is now the very first spell all Mages will have.

Комментарий от Bogdanov89

Using the glyph Fire Mages can replace Fireball with Frostfire Bolt without losing any DPS - but gaining a slow effect.
Useful for adding a move speed slow effect to the Fire spec, if one is needed (mostly solo and PvP).

Unlike Fire who can spam Frostfire Bolt (with it's glyph), Frost and Arcane have no use for it's glyph since they will never be CASTING Frostfire Bolt - Frost has a Brain Freeze proc that makes it instant (hence the glyph is useless for frost and arcane).

Комментарий от glaiveninja

anyone can answer what effect bonus you get exactly when you use frostfire bolt when you have http://www.wowhead.com/spell=27982] on your weapon? does the enchant effect double?

Комментарий от hjp426

Not quite sure how to word this... but I've noticed with other classes and spells, like Exorcism for ret pally, or Lightning Bolt for shaman, you can push the hotkey again before it's done casting to start casting again. With Frostfire Bolt, I have to wait for the spell to completely finish casting before I can push the hotkey again to cast it another time. Any idea why this is, or anyone else have the same issue?

Комментарий от unicurn

It's water.

Комментарий от whisperingsage

As of Legion beta build 21996 (6/22/16),

Frostfire Bolt
4% of base mana 40 yd range
2.75 sec cast
Requires Mage
Requires level 1
Launches a bolt of frostfire at the enemy, causing (161.7% of Spell power) Frostfire damage and slowing the target's movement by 40% for 8 sec.

Is being replaced by:

Flurry
4% of base mana 40 yd range
3 sec cast
Requires Mage (Frost)
Requires level 16
Unleash a flurry of ice shards, striking the target 3 times for a total of Frost damage.
Each shard reduces the target's movement speed by 70% for 1 sec.

Currently looks like three cinders from Cinderstorm, but blue and tracks to the target rather than arcing to the right.

Комментарий от rodalpho

The devs told us exactly how 7.0 Freeze Effects, Shatter, and Flurry work at the link below.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743504316?page=30#587

I'm pasting it here as they typically delete the beta forums after release.

Wanted to stop by and share a bit of theorycrafting info about one of the new things in this latest build though, Flurry. As theorycrafters know, whether a spell is going to miss/hit/crit is determined when the cast bar completes and the missile leaves your hand. That's also when most stats from the caster are taken into account.

This has always been awkward for Shatter, which is extra crit chance if the target is frozen. As experienced Frost Mages will likely tell you, what matters for Shatter is whether the target is frozen when the missile leaves your hand, not when it impacts. That's why the classic Frostbolt+Ice Lance (aka "Shattercombo") works.

However, that's not what you'd expect as a player; you'd expect that it matters whether the target is frozen when the missile impacts them. You'd expect that with Winter's Chill from Flurry, the 2nd and 3rd hits, and the Ice Lance you cast immediately afterward would all benefit from Shatter.

In the current build, you'll find that we added some logic to account for those expectations. However, in the next build, you'll find that we've gone a leap further:

Due to the importance of Shatter, Frost Mage damage will be calculated on impact, rather than on finishing the cast. This applies to Frostbolt, Flurry, Ebonbolt, Ice Lance, Glacial Spike, Comet Storm (other spells have no missile/travel time). This means that, for example, you could Freeze a target while a Frostbolt is in the air, and it will benefit from Shatter on impact.

We also made a noteworthy change to how freeze effects break. We removed the protection from breaking in the first 0.5sec of their life, and instead made them break 0.4sec after they take enough damage to break, rather than immediately when they take enough damage to break. This will allow the classic "Shattercombo" to still work.

And a heads-up about how this may change in the future: In a later patch, we're going to consider having only Shatter be calculated on impact, and everything else still be calculated on cast (as before), but that was not an option for 7.0.

Комментарий от Paspartu

Ability in progress... need better dmg, or longer slow.. but this is sh it.. u have ice lance if u wanna... and 1 sec 70% slow with this? LOL ... u are frost mage.. and u have worst slow from all slow classes... 30% from fbolt etc...what ? :D

Комментарий от Taraezor

Flurry, where instant or off the 3 second cast, will cause a Шквал debuff on the target.

Only the instant Flurry will cause a Зимняя стужа target debuff.

Both are 1s long but the Шквал you cast has a 1.5s GCD so expired before you can get an instant Ледяное копье off?

No, thankfully.

Blizzard, bless them, give you an effective ~2s from button press to launch your Ледяное копье at the target with the shatter Зимняя стужа debuff.

Don't press your Ice Lance button in a mad panic the moment you cast Flurry. There is a hidden delay. The Ice Lance will not cast. Wait about 0.5s or even pretty much the GCD before casting.

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Шквал

Шквал

1% от базовой Мана	Радиус действия: 40 м

Мгновенное действие

Выпускает в цель сосульки, поражая цель 3 раз и нанося в общей сложности 3 ед. урона от магии льда. Каждая сосулька снижает скорость передвижения цели на 70% на 1 sec.

Под действием "Заморозки мозгов" "Шквал" также накладывает на цель эффект "Зимняя стужа".

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Школа

Лед

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Тип рассеивания

Магический

Категория ГКД

Обычный

Цена

1% от базовой Мана

Радиус действия

40 метров (Long)

Применение

Мгновенное действие

Восстановление

нет

ГКД

1.5 секунды

Эффект #1

Dummy
Значение: 3
Механика: Пойманный
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Эффект #2

Trigger Missile (Шквал)

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