For a warrior, then proc is consistent with 9.8% chance on hit, if you count hit as any ability requiring a weapon (white, slam, mortal strike, rend, probably heroic strike, hamstring, execute). Not confirmed for victory rush. There is no minimum time between proc, as procs within 2 sec has been observed (white hit + slam or MS). No haste effect (flurry/trinket/gear) were used when approximating the rate. I doubt you could get a PPM anywhere near 8, expect 4 to 6.

Rate has been establish with 90 minutes of autoattack in the blasted lands and confirmed in instances.

The proc is after a hit, so it won't proc if the hit is a killing blow. The proc won't heal if no actual shadow damage is dealt (resist or killing blow, which lead to partial healing), not tested with shields (PW:Shield, voidwalker sacrifice, mage mana shield/ice armor).

Комментарий от 23141

Have been using this Polearm as a Retribution Paladin for a few weeks now, and like the above poster, it's proc chance seems to be around the 10% mark.
Procs off judgement of command, SoCommand, white hits and Crusader strike.
It can be resisted, and 'drain life' immune mobs such as mechanicals are immune to the effect.
The damage done is also affected by avenging wrath, but due to the low %dmg increase from the talent 'Crusade', I'm unsure whether this affects it too.

Overall a very good polearm, however lacking it may seem.

Комментарий от 2703

I dont see how this is better or comparable to Gorehowl. The Glaive gets you a slightly higher top end and a DD proc at the cost of:

-49 Strength
-43 Agility
-51 Stamina

No thanks.

Комментарий от graham

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28311

also has a stealing affect

Комментарий от 52544

The proc does not make up the loss as much as the normalized AP based on a slower weapon, and that an arms spec warrior always should go for the slower, harder hitting choice. 49 strength and 1.4% to crit is just irreplaceable with 3 sockets and that proc (at 2 ppm the proc is only 10 dps, maybe 20 dps in actual use combined with instant attacks).

On the other hand, Gorehowl's 498 ap is about 35 dps. Being a 3.6 speed weapon however it not only has a lower average damage, lower top damage, it also gives you a lower normalized attack power to damage bonus compared to this.

In other words, if you have a lot of AP, a slower weapon will win out against a faster weapon simply because of how WoW calculates your attack damage based on your attack power. The proc and the sockets just narrow the gap.

Комментарий от Ravedruid

I can theorycraft about what would be better, X or Y but that really isn't what is concerning me... what is concerning me is the fact that I am going to go absolutely batty having to look at the damn fire effect that doesn't actually follow the glaive but sort of sticks out there like some cheesy streamer...

You know what? I figured it out... the lazy bastards used the exact same flame effect off of the Halberd of Smiting where the fire followed the vaguley "Z" like shape which if you check out the Glaive from the side you can see pretty plainly... to bad the Glaive and Halberd don't remotely share the same shape.

Комментарий от DeadAimSpartan

OMG screenshot of hunter wit this!!! FAIL FAIL FAIL

Комментарий от graham

i'm a lvl 70 hunter and i have a question, i've been using this glaive for quite a while and have done pretty well. But instead of this should i use the Big Bad Wolf's Paw + Blade of the
Unrequited?

Комментарий от Strye

Comparing Gorehowl and Glaive of the Pit (in Warrior/Ret Paladin terms):

Gorehowl:

49 STR = 98 / 107.8 Attack power = 7 / 7.7 Increased DPS - a raw 127.7 / 128.4 dps.
43 AGI = 1.303/1.72 Crit, 86 armor, and 1.433/1.72 Dodge.
51 STA = 510 HP

Glaive of the Pit:

3x Red Gem slots.

Anywhere from 24 STR to 12 STR / 12 Crit Rating- there's a broad spectrum of how you can flex this weapon.

24 STR = 48 / 52.8 AP = 3.42 / 3.77 DPS - a raw 123.12 / 123.47 DPS
4 Crit Rating = .1695 % to Critical Strike.

*2 PPM on 3.7 = 12.33% chance to deal 283-315 Shadow damage / Heal per hit. *

Over 60 seconds- 10 Crusader Strikes, 16.2 White Swings, ( 16 x .43209 ) = 6.91 Seal of Command.
10+16.2+6.91 = 33.11 x .1233 = 4.082 x 285-315 = 1163.5 - 1285.83 DPM / 60 = 19.3916 - 21.4305 DPS (!!) x .95 (5% resist) 18.422 - 20.359 DPS = AVG 19.3905 DPS and 96.95 hp5

I'm not a math genius but I think that's technically correct.

SO

Gorehowl - 127.7 / 128.4 Final DPS + 510 HP + ~1.5% Crit.
Glaive of the Pit - 142.51 / 142.86 Final DPS + 97 hp5 + Very Minor Crit

And Glaive has higher Top-End.

I pick Glaive for PvE thanks.

Комментарий от serpentea

I'm not sure if they buffed this item or not because of all the bad rep it got, but I am noticing a way higher proc rate than 10%. It actually is almost procing like 30% or 40%. I've had it proc 3-4 times in a 20 second fight as a paladin. And like a poster put above, it does proc off all of our abilities, seals and hammer even. Someone else above said that they don't know why anyone would pick this over gorehowl. I actually have both this and gorehowl, and I noticed that this polearm actually does significantly more dmg compared to gorehowl. The fact that epic gems are becoming more common only means that this polearm will actually be better if you feel like throwing down a few hundred gold on it. Anyway, for dps I would choose this over gorehowl anyday, but for pvp, I would take gorehowl.

Комментарий от 108239

Does the life steal count as a "heal" and also return mana for paladins?

Комментарий от jpspeck

I dont know, with a proc rate like that it seems like this weapon would be good for pvp. Especially if it proc'd off of each hit in windfury. pop it and get healed for like 1200? yes pls. (saying that they all proc'd, XD.)

Комментарий от 124694

The windfury totem effect only adds one extra weapon swing. The effect of

Chance on hit: Steals 285 to 315 life from target enemy.

would be 570-630 damage/healing if a warrior or paladin got a windfury proc while wielding this. If a shaman could wield this and did get a triple windfury hit with all three hits proccing the lifesteal effect, it would be between 855-945 damage/healing. The parent posters figure of a 1200 heal is incorrect for either case. The parent posters wording does seem to imply thinking of the shaman weapon enchant version of spell. Either way . . . yeah, mod him down.

Комментарий от 151763

Anywhere from 24 STR to 12 STR / 12 Crit Rating

There is no 24 Strength gem, only 24 Attack Power, which is equal to 12 Strength gems, which stacked, would only give you 72 Attack Power, 26 less than Gorehowl

And Glaive of the Pit only has 14 more top end damage

I'd still take Gorehowl, as a warrior at least

Комментарий от 152252

S2 Sword or Glaive of the Pit, I would say Glaive, but maybe I am wrong.

Комментарий от 126611

as a ret pally with the S2 sword... I find this to actually be better. I have only three 8 strength gems in it now and savagery, but the proc itself is pretty sweet for damage. Coupled with the SSO necklace (I'm scryer, so I get the stupid arcane bolt) It really makes up for the wait in between swings when CS and Judgement is down.

That and it makes up for SoB friendly fire :D

And to top it off. Running around SM Cath with this to level my polearm skill I was doing 650 dps using SotC and never judging.

Yeah. I love it. Glad I grabbed it so it didn't get DEd

Комментарий от 169612

this is TBC http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=17074#comments
sucks as always

Комментарий от 58287

Can warriors with the new 2h duel wield ability use this in 1h now?
or is that just for axes, sword and maces?
cause if its possible this could make a decent weapon for me as a dps fury warrior.

Комментарий от 248668

Glaive of the pit Vs Hammer of the Naaru

Im a ret pally, and i have both, which one you reccomend?

Комментарий от 310786

This polearm is now useable by druids and has 909 feral attack power on it

Комментарий от leogorn

I wander if it can proc while in cat/bear form...?

Комментарий от 315859

Should look more like a traditional Pit Lord double polearm IMO...

Комментарий от EmbrceYrInnrGeek

Same shape as the ToC 5 man Heroic polerarm Сокрушение основ

Sometimes blizzard just suck at making new designs for equipment

Комментарий от Evangelism

Hello transmogging xD

Комментарий от 36754

Looks great for a transmog. Keeps it's fire glow.

Комментарий от 365880

For the Alliance xmogging monks out there, this polearm is an excellent match to VanCleef's Battlegear (the rogue t9, but lookalikes aren't hard to get).

Комментарий от stickshift

I totally missed that we can now xmog non-polearms into polearms. Dual-wielding these now with a Bold Armor look and the Stormwind Tabard reward in WoD.

It was so difficult to find two good fury warrior polearms, but now I finally have an xmog set to keep for a very long time.

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