The proc of this is equal to 7.37% damage increase vs ANY target, cause armor always increase phys mitigation the same deal. That means if some amount of armor reduces the damage taken by 10% making it 0.9, then adding it twice will give you another 10% decrease from 0.9 which results in 0.81. So reducing enemy armor is always great until it`s reduced to zero. And that is most impossible vs PvE targets.
There`s really no difference between plated targets and clothies, the relative increase in damage will be the same for both of them. For dd warriors and melee shamans this enchant is really better than mongoose. The bad thing is no stacking but you can always get mongoose on the second weapon.

Комментарий от 22897

I guess the question is...

Is this enchant worth giving up a mongoose on one of my weapons?

Комментарий от Jagema

I'm curious to know if this can proc on yellow attacks (i.e. MS) as well as white swings.

It should, yes, I don't see why other enchants such as Crusader, Mongoose etc. should have procs with both and this one shouldn't. I'm certain it does.

Комментарий от zAce

Does this work in Druid forms?

Комментарий от Icarus

Noob question: this thing stack if I'm dual-wielding?

Комментарий от Jubro

The wording of this enchant has me curious. It doesn't say that "your attacks" ignore 840 of your opponent's armor... It says enchants a melee weapon to occasionally ignore 840 of your opponent's armor. The qualifier that would explain it applying to all of your attacks is absent.

So, this sounds like a dumb question, but does it just apply to attacks made by the enchanted weapon, or all attacks?

Комментарий от Shmurple

rofl... if only twinks could have this enchant =P too bad its lvl 60 weapon or higher.

Комментарий от Rerox

Procrate seems to be around 1.4 PPM
Tested with Procwatch on mobs in Blasted Lands.

Комментарий от 57129

840 armor penetration makes that 9160 armor, 46.456 reduction, so that swing would hit for roughly 545. 545/513 is roughly a 6.24% damage increase.

You made a little mistake in math. Not 545 hit, but 535 hit. And it is 4.3% damage increase.

And the effect will be much higher on low armored targets. And almost no effect on tanks ;)

Комментарий от 33158

$armor = 5000; #your target's armor
$x = 11960; #set to 10557.5 for level 70 targets, 11960 for level 73 targets

$reduction = $armor / ($armor + $x);
$damage = 1.0 - $reduction;
$damage_plus_1pc = $damage * 1.01;
$reduction_needed = 1.0 - $damage_plus_1pc;
$armor_needed = ($reduction_needed * $x) / (1.0 - $reduction_needed);
$armor_pen_needed = $armor - $armor_needed;

print "For a target with $armor armor and an X of $x, to get 1% more damage you need $armor_pen_needed armor penetration.n";

Комментарий от 97459

Anybody know if this will stack with the proc from "The Night Blade"?

Комментарий от 57075

The proc reduces a fixed amount of AC; therefore the more AC the target has, the less effectiveness we will benefit according to the d.r. (damage reduction) formula. To view how "effective" this enchant works at a given target's AC, let's compute the difference before and after proc for each AC. Assume we face a mob with the same level as a player:
k = 10557 ... constant
x = 840 ... reduced armor
d.r. = AC/(AC+k)
d.r.' = (AC-x)/(AC-x+k)
diff = d.r'-d.r = k*x/(AC^2+(2k-x)AC-k*(k-x))

, which leads to the following table:
AC -- damage gained
10000 -- 2.19%
9000 -- 2.42%
8000 -- 2.70%
7000 -- 3.02%
6000 -- 3.41%
5000 -- 3.87%
4000 -- 4.44%
3000 -- 5.14%
2000 -- 6.03%
1000 -- 7.16%
0840 -- 7.37%

Damage gained (%) is viewed as the ratio of damage difference to the white damage. Assume that one's armor can't be negative, and the maximum gain is about 7.37% when a target's armor is equal to or lower than 840.

Комментарий от 97204

Can this proc twice on two different weapons at the same time?
MH proc and OH proc going at the same time as stacking.
Can anyone confirm this please : )?

Комментарий от JediJesseS

The above math seems to be incorrect.

Using X= Amount of Target Armor, the equation we should arrive at is:

(X/(X+10557) - ((X-840)/(X+9717)) = Difference in damage reduction (%)

Which gives a table of these values:

Armor -- Damage Reduction Lost After Proc
0 -- 8.64%
1000 -- 7.16%
2000 -- 6.03%
3000 -- 5.14%
4000 -- 4.44%
5000 -- 3.87%
6000 -- 3.41%
7000 -- 3.02%
8000 -- 2.70%
9000 -- 2.42%
10000 -- 2.19%

Someone please verify my math if possible, I could have very easily made a mistake!

Комментарий от 102374

This has probably been answered but I want to make certain. I could have this on my rogue's offhand weapon and it won't only effect attacks made by the offhand weapon, but all attacks for 15 seconds. Am I right?

Комментарий от Shada

Thoughts on this as a tanking enchant? Not as all around useful as Mongoose versus big hitters maybe, but as part of a trash/heroic/threat based setup?

Комментарий от 30838

so when the enchant proccs does it give u a buff like , for the next x amount of seconds all attacks ignore this much armor or is it like on the swing if it procs that swing ignores the armor

Комментарий от 103483

A quick Question ! I already enchanted my with mongoose but seeing this works somehow like an Extra 2-3 sunders will it be more suitable For making MORE TPS than Mongoose ?

Комментарий от 103719

The reason sunder armor causes as much threat as it does is because high threat is built into the skill, not because ignoring armor generates high threat. Sunder armor also increases dps from everyone in the raid with physical attacks, while this only increases your dps. The real reason for this enchant is to increase melee dps, but tanks should probably stick with mongoose.

Комментарий от LordZED

Hello. I did LOADS of test on this enchant and now
IF its on MH then 1.2ppm
IF its on OH then 1.2ppm
ProcMeter 1.18%-1.68% on normal usage
Done on 213hit rating=3.8% miss rate
It does not stack when u have 2 weapons enchanted
Proc lasts 15 seconds and affects all atacks done in that time
Thats for numbers. Now i use it on OH Fury drop form firs bos of ZA on my fury warrior. Got 20 str on MH. In real life it procs on Each mob in kara or gruul. Few times on booses. Proc its boosting rage generation :). I did tests on my mates 420 resilence warlock. When it whas on proc i had my crits up by about 200 when using BT.
Its realy nice enchant for fury wariors but rogues i still think that Moonguse is better cos they got more benefit from AGI = AP and it can Stack 2xMongoose proc=240AP/6%crit/4%atack speed and 10 dodge. Executioner cant beat that for rogues :).

Комментарий от Ambusher

Can anyone confirm if this stacks with the proc from Warp-Spring coil http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30450 ? I've yet to see both procs on at the same time.

Edit: Just found out they DO stack :)

Комментарий от 51621

Just my 2 cents - weapons that already have a glow (i.e. Heartrazor, Fang of Vashj etc...) do not get the graphic of executioner (same as mongoose).

Комментарий от 92642

How about the GLOWING Season 1 Axe? Check the screenshots.

Комментарий от 11885

Executioner video on santa's Spiteblade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX_yzRAHQ-Q

Комментарий от 118784

Hey can anyone do a comparison on how this enchant stacks up to savergy? This is assuming that the warrior in mind has the full set of S3 gear with armor pen. Thanks in advance!

Комментарий от Miridithe

Has the drop rate been buffed since the last patch. In the last two weeks we have had 3 recipes drop.

Комментарий от 96298

Does this proc through druid forms?

Комментарий от 78102

There are some great sites that break down the detail for what situations a player would benefit from various chants. Executioner is a great chant for targets of low armor (clothies and some leather) but I would recommend a player have additional armor penetration gear since this 840 by itself is not all that fantastic.

This is a great chant for warriors who are trying to grind rep/mats or tank due to the combining this proc with their sunder armor. Having all five sunders (at rank 6) on and having this proc will yield 3,440 armor reduction which is a nice increase to dmg and threat. As stated many times above, armor penetration is NOT a 1-for-1 for dmg dealt (i/e 1 armor penetration = 1 increase to dmg dealt). This will only reduce your targets dmg mitigation %.

Комментарий от 62370

Question: If you are dual-wielding, does the buff affect all your attacks, or only those from the weapon that procced Executioner? The tooltip implies that the specific weapon gets the buff, not the character (which is what Windfury does, for example).

Комментарий от samljer

I put this enchant on "The Night Blade"

Damn.... thats all i gotta say... damn

very nice ;)

Комментарий от Galabriel

Can somebody PLEASE post a pic of Blazefury with exec on it? I cant seem to find it anywhere nor achieve it in model viewer....

Thank you!!!

Комментарий от 78102

Is there a place to look up an NPC's armor? I know I can find health, but I am having a hard time finding armor. Ideas?

Комментарий от Nebalee

But if you want to test it out. always put it on MH and leave Mongoose on OH.

Why does it matter whether it's MH or OH?

Комментарий от 140351

What is a fair price for this enchant if you supply mats? I had someone demand 50g and I said no. As a JC, I cut the rarest metas for a norm of 10g, so 50g for a chant (when I supplying 500g+ of mats) seems high.

Комментарий от 159444

dropped today twice in 1 raid on warsong eu from hex lord and zul`djin. all raid was shoked :D

Комментарий от pinkerton

from Elitist Jerks Enhance Shammy Think Tank:

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Executioner is roughly equivalent at high T5/T6 levels of gearing to a single enchant of Mongoose. However, Mongoose/Executioner or double Executioner will not outperform the dps benefit of double Mongoose unless the Enhancement Shaman is geared with nearly unobtainable values of Armor Penetration.

Executioner currently does not stack from multiple hands, each proc when DWing will simply refresh the buff. It is unknown if this is intended, since this deviates from how other weapon enchants function. Obviously the value of Executioner will increase as you gain more -Armor gear. At entry raid level a shaman will probably gain more from dual Mongoose enchants. At high T5 content and beyond, Executioner will become more valuable.

Комментарий от 112611

Weapon enchants are now shown at the character selection screen.

Комментарий от 202093

I'm a rouge and I'm wondering if it's better to go exe/mon vs mon/mon for arena.

Комментарий от hatsune

i have a question...
lets say I have the Executioner enchant on my weapon...
and my arena partner have it too...
and we hit the same guy....
will that guy get 2 Executioner effect? or will it just refresh the 1 that's already on that guy?

Комментарий от d3xx

With attribute consolidation in 3.0.2, does executioner now also apply to your ranged attacks? Or is it still melee only?

Комментарий от 275073

is executioned enchant available post wrath? I dont see many enchanters with it....

Комментарий от 275073

is this enchant a viable enchant to still have ?

Комментарий от 106998

Enchant Weapon - Executioner New - permanently enchant a melee weapon to occasionally grant you 120 armor penetration rating. (Old - occasionally ignore 840 of your enemy's armor.)

At level 'x' you'll roughly get the following armor penetration:

80 - 7.8%
70 - 16.2%
60 - 25.6%

At level 'x', armor penetration rating required to get 1% armor penetration:

80 - 15.39
70 - 7.4
60 - 4.69

Комментарий от Coopervisor

Has anybody tested this at 80 to see if it's still a viable enchant for a Fury Warrior?

Комментарий от RazerMuffin

Executioner now uses the Armor Penetration rating. Giving a 120 buff to the stat. At level 80, that gives almost 10% armor reduction.

Making it a still good enchant since you got a chance to every now and again, ignore up to 10% of your enemy's armor.

Комментарий от kirus

Is this enchant still usefull at level 80?
Compared to berserk or massacre.

Комментарий от 373328

Would this be useful on a 60 pally "twink"? I'm leveling one to 60 and pvping for the gear, and i want to know which enchant would be the best for the weapon

Комментарий от 182184

According to Rawr, a fury warrior with 11% ArP + sunder armor + faerie fire should enchant his offhand with executioner instead of berserk, and a fury warrior with 28% ArP + sunder armor + faerie fire should dual wield executioner.

Комментарий от mattroszel

did anyone else notice that they didn't change the wording on the formula and just changed the enchant itself

Комментарий от 430856

I am an arms warrior mace spec and currently sit at about 35% armor pen with just talents and gear. I was curious to see if my dps will increase because of the additional 10%. I currently have beserking on my mace and was considering trying out executioner, is it worth it?

Комментарий от 18160

Now, it's march 2010.
Has anyone come to know if it's a viable enchant for, say, a hunter?
Meaning: will it proc even if I don't hit with my 2h polearm (cause obviously I deal damage with my ranged weap)?
Please, help me...

Tnx

Pit_1

Комментарий от 309284

For PvE arms warriors that are working towards the 100% armor penetration mark, there is a point where executioner provides a higher DPS boost than berserking (at around 80-90% armor penetration).

Not to mention it's still the best looking enchant in the game.

Комментарий от 612669

For a fury warrior if your going with berserk and executioner as weapon enchants which would be better for main hand? would they even be useful together?

Комментарий от rivellangel

I think the drop rate for this recipe has been increased. Dropped 4 times from different bosses last night for my group.

Комментарий от 163092

On beta/ptr this gives 120 crit rating on proc as armor pen is gone.

Комментарий от aerion

As of 4.0.1, this enchant gives 120 crit rating with a pretty high uptime.

For people like me that always liked the glow effect, this means we get a good dps boost as well as the awesome factor.

Комментарий от amarios

Does not show on Shadowmourne. :/

Комментарий от 53652

I just solo'd Jan'alai on my 84 Warrior, and the Executioner plans DID NOT drop. I am a 450 enchanter and I do not already know the enchant.

I'm semi pissed because I went through all the prep and gold spending to get the Executioner plans, and it did not drop : /

Комментарий от rivellangel

In 4.1 ZA becomes a level 85 hc so I'm guessing this will no longer be available, get it now if you want it (I know lots of other items won't be available but this is probably one of the few that people will miss)

Комментарий от 810562

Can anyone confirm that this still drops? I just killed two bosses about 30 minutes ago and neither dropped the formula (I have 525 enchanting).

Комментарий от 810562

Thank you for the confirmation. I killed Nalorakk and Jan'alai and it didn't drop for either. Guess I was just unlucky :-(

Комментарий от Diapergenie

Removed from game in patch 4.1 with the Zul'Aman conversion into 5 man heroic dungeon.

Комментарий от 553821

So... is that enchant still available ingame, or it got removed (maybe even from those who had learnt/used the formula)? and can an enchanter learn it after 4.1 somehow? not that it seems like they can, but I gotta ask to remove all "doubt" :/

Комментарий от Luparul

I don't know about you but I started annoying GMs about putting it back in the game. I hate that I don't have it.

Комментарий от Huntercfor

As of the 4.3 PTR You can buy
http://www.wowhead.com/item=33307
from
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=19536/dealer-jadyan#sells
The vendor also sells many exotic weapons (: .

Комментарий от 919210

The previously unobtainable formula from old level 70 Zul'Aman has been re-implemented back into the game with patch 4.3 and can now be bought for around 5 gold depending on your reputation from Dealer JadyanDealer Jadyan in Netherstorm at the stormspire.

When facing the Inn/Mailbox, turn left and then turn right to go around the building. You will find him within your next couple of steps.

It's been a great gold maker for those that caught on early. Some people on The Consortium Gold making forums have reported selling it for more than 5,000gold each on the AH.

The re-implementation of this formula was also documented in wowpedia's Patch 4.3 undocumented changes.

Комментарий от kabookiejoe

this item is indeed still available in game as of 4.3 it has been returned, it can be bought in netherstorm, for dealer jaydan

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/wowexecution.jpg/

Комментарий от perculia

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