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Destruction Warlock Review - Battle for Azeroth Community Opinions

Опубликовано 30.07.2018 в 17:34 Squishei

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17: Assassination

18: Subtlety

19: Outlaw

20: Fury / Arms

21: Ret / Windwalker

22: Feral / Enhancement

23: Havoc

24: Survival

25: Beast Mastery / Marksmanship

26: Fire / Frost

27: Arcane

28: Boomkin / Elemental

29: Demonology

30: Destruction / Affliction

31: Shadow

1: Unholy / Frost

2: Holy Paladin

3: Disc / Holy

4: Restoration Druid

5: Restoration / Mistweaver

6: Blood

7: Brewmaster

8: Guardian / Protection Warrior

9: Vengeance

10: Protection Paladin

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Хаос nerfed from 100% of damage copied, to 60% of damage copied. A lot of the community had negative reactions to this change, but it’s actually something I’ve been asking for since the start of Warlords of Draenor. Destruction has long been completely unbalanceable due to its ability to do 100% burst damage to 2 targets. Хаос being brought down in power means Destruction’s ST and AoE can be buffed to a healthier state than they were in during previous expansions.

Ожог души on T15. I like anything that changes up the monotony of just pressing Испепеление for long periods of time, and I like mechanics that manipulate time even more. It’s nothing thought provoking, but it still feels good to switch up the buttons you press.

Внутреннее возгорание on T30. This talent has been very polarizing in the community. Some people love it, some people hate it. I love it. It’s similar to Ожог души, but in a slightly more thought provoking way. The effect happens when Стрела Хаоса hits the target, so you can often times cast Жертвенный огонь after Стрела Хаоса and refresh it before the Стрела Хаоса hits.

Ожог Тьмы. It’s currently in a pretty decent state. It provides a lot of instant cast GCDs giving Destruction some of the mobility it’s been lacking for several expansions. It’s a few percent behind on patchwerk, but if there are adds or a fair bit of movement it can pull ahead.

Гримуар жертвоприношения on T90. It returns as an actually viable talent! We now once again have access to Гримуар жертвоприношения + Оплот теней + Темный пакт. Unlike previous times Гримуар жертвоприношения has been good, it’s not just always the best. It’s always a decision between controlled burst and sustained dps.

T100 Talents. What can I say, the row is just really well designed and balanced. All 3 talents are within 2% ST, and you get a choice between a powerful CD, a short duration rotational CD, and a constant passive. All 3 have value outside of ST as well.

Ожог души. It’s just slightly worse than Искоренение and Искровый разряд, meaning it has no real use in PvE at current tuning.

Огненный ливень. This is the big one. All of the exact same issues from legion are still here, and don’t appear to be going anywhere anytime soon. Огненный ливень is still an awful spell. It’s 8 seconds long baseline (the haste really doesn’t help much), has only an 8 yard radius, which is less than melee range, and costs 3/5ths of your total resources. Things constantly move in so many dungeons and affixes in BFA that it’s just impossible a lot of the time to get Огненный ливень to even do half the damage it should on paper. Not to mention the fact that most of the Humanoids in dungeons now run away when they’re near death for no apparent reason.

T60 Talents. Преисподняя is numerically awful, but the bigger issue is that it’s mechanically awful because it moves more of your damage into the unreliable Огненный ливень. Огонь и сера was overnerfed to a point where it’s just always bad in any situation no matter how many targets there are. Катаклизм is just always the best choice right now, and honestly I’m kind of fine with that. Катаклизм in combination with Направленный демонический огонь almost entirely makes up for how bad Огненный ливень is, and feels amazing to use.

Похищение жизни. It just feels too weak. Right now you can expect it to be about 4.4% of your life healed per second, at an absolutely massive dps loss. Maybe in the context of Destruction also having Поглощение души and Mastery, it’s fine for overall balance; but, it still feels incredibly weak.

Ожог души. Based on our simulations and dummy testing, it needs a sizeable buff of about 35.5% for it to be notably (2%) better than Искровый разряд ST. This tier (and Destruction talents in general) has a relatively low impact on dps, so it needs pretty dramatic changes to see results. Ожог души does pretty decent damage already, so they could try buffing the shards it gives. Buffing the shard gen to 6 puts it about 1% ahead of Искровый разряд. To get it up to 2% it would need another 15% damage buff on top of that.

Похищение жизни. Buff the healing percentage so that it remains the impactful choice it should be between damage and healing.

Огненный ливень. Buff the radius, reduce the duration, or both. There’s no good reason that Огненный ливень takes 8 seconds to do it’s damage at 0% haste. Even with a *very* sizeable 20% haste it’s still 6.67 seconds. There’s also no good reason that it has an 8 yard radius. Звездопад is 8 seconds and 15y radius, with a talent that makes it 20% larger and lets you cast while moving in it. Землетрясение is 6 seconds and 8y radius. Смерть и разложение is 10 seconds and 8y radius, but has a talent that makes the radius increase. Снежная буря is 8 seconds and 8y radius, but decreases the cooldown of a massive AoE CD every tick. The point I’m making here is that Огненный ливень is the worst targeted ground effect spell in the game.

Преисподняя. Address the issues with Огненный ливень baseline and Преисподняя stops being awful. Alternately, you can throw the QoL Огненный ливень needs on Преисподняя, similarly to other spec’s talents. Make Преисподняя cut the duration of Огненный ливень in half, or increase the radius by some percentage, etc.

Огонь и сера. It needs a pretty large buff to be in a decent state. It’s also pretty hard to say how big of a buff it needs to actually see play. Say you look at no cooldowns, 5 mobs in a pack, and it takes 30 seconds to kill the pack. Огонь и сера at 75% beats Cata by 5.5%. But if it takes 40 seconds to kill the pack it’s tied with Cata. And then the pack after might not be AoE and Огонь и сера might be less valuable. Plus, Cata gives ST dps that Огонь и сера doesn’t. Even at 75%, Огонь и сера is behind Катаклизм on 3 target. All I know is that it needs a large buff to the damage multiplier.

Твердая решимость at 3 minutes makes us too vulnerable, but at 1 minute it was too powerful. 2 sounds like a sweet spot where we’re vulnerable but not for 3 entire minutes.

Succubus feels worthless. There’s just no world in which other players let your succubus (or you) channel the CC. It should really be an instant cast like Ослепление.

Страх costs waaaaay too much mana. It’s 15% of mana compared to Превращение’s 4%.

Baseline Неистовство Тьмы is amazing.

Ожог Тьмы adds a lot of mobility that Destruction was lacking severely.

Ожог души is a great addition. It particularly helps with Сосредоточенный хаос setups because it gives you a decent damaging ability you can Хаос.

Комментарий от RjunI just really hope and pray that one day Grimoire of Sacrifice gets changed to what it used to be in Cata, I loved playing petless Lock...Комментарий от KaggI always hope and pray they make Grimoire of Sacrifice the way it was in BC. Miss it. I don't understand Soulfire... why what how.. especially back in beta when it had a 45 sec cd. I still think it is garbage. I've also been trying to figure out why make a talent to decrease SF cd instead of just keeping it 45 seconds and HMMM I UNNO MAKE SOMETHING ELSE?Комментарий от ossiferdowni don't understand how soul fire can be both in The Good and The Bad category.Комментарий от Sigmaniacali don't understand how soul fire can be both in The Good and The Bad category.Комментарий от Tornado20i don't understand how soul fire can be both in The Good and The Bad category.Комментарий от disseraTorn. The new animations are gorgeous, but I'm really not feeling Destro at the moment. I've always been a Destro purist, through and through but I'm having trouble. Hard to pinpoint. I feel super squishy, and as others said, I don't understand Soul Fire at all. Maybe I'll feel the spec more after BfA drops and some more time with it. Weirdly enough I'm actually really enjoying Demo, for the first time since... forever.Комментарий от NagasshI like destructions basic building blocks, but it feels like you need the talents to make it an even remotely complete spec, rather than the talents being additions. There's so little going on with the spec as baseline it's sad.
I really hate how few buttons / mechanics it has going on - feels like it's a tier set and an ability away from being well rounded, but there's no tier sets coming to bandaid it in BFA. Really wish CDF or something was made baseline and some other mechanics of old were baked in.

Destruction was branded as the "braindead" spec back in MOP, but had so much more intricacy than the later incarnations as mechanics have been pruned or stripped down like Havoc going to a time system rather than a charge one, removing extra thought you can be having like pre-casting Havoc or the importance of managing the charge uses.

Really wish Blizzard would stop being afraid of baseline mechanics and, if they insist on having even simpler options that Destro already was, letting people talent out of complexity instead of making people talent into it when said talents compete with optimal and interesting.Комментарий от orionaegis7Good feedback! Hopefully blizz listensКомментарий от orionaegis7I like destructions basic building blocks, but it feels like you need the talents to make it an even remotely complete spec, rather than the talents being additions. There's so little going on with the spec as baseline it's sad.
I really hate how few buttons / mechanics it has going on - feels like it's a tier set and an ability away from being well rounded, but there's no tier sets coming to bandaid it in BFA. Really wish CDF or something was made baseline and some other mechanics of old were baked in.

Destruction was branded as the "braindead" spec back in MOP, but had so much more intricacy than the later incarnations as mechanics have been pruned or stripped down like Havoc going to a time system rather than a charge one, removing extra thought you can be having like pre-casting Havoc or the importance of managing the charge uses.

Really wish Blizzard would stop being afraid of baseline mechanics and, if they insist on having even simpler options that Destro already was, letting people talent out of complexity instead of making people talent into it when said talents compete with optimal and interesting.Комментарий от Mightylorddki don't understand how soul fire can be both in The Good and The Bad category.Комментарий от WrenThe Good reads like an onion articleКомментарий от Candrisplease BUFF Rain of Fire, STOP nerfing Havoc and FIX Fel Fissure(pvp talent is kinda useless). I don't understand what happened to Soulfire it was amazing back in beta. The rest is ok loving the new spell updates.Комментарий от Alienatedfleajust wondering if anyone else finds it weird that conflagrate DoT is not being affected by the green fire quest? Just sayin...Комментарий от FlazerI like the succubus change tho, even with channel charm. Slow helps alot with melee(it seemed to slow through cowl of shadows), and charm on cc makes it easier to deal with invis, when they open up on you with cc to get charmed from succub invis.Комментарий от MorvangorHavoc. So what. They should make it good or get rid of it.Комментарий от Nirdana The point I’m making here is that Rain of Fire is the worst targeted ground effect spell in the game.Комментарий от Buphallus*or make inferno a “bane”, such that it follows the mob (they go as a pack usually) while doing the same AoE effect to all mobs in the area and increase radius.Комментарий от Tymes182So I generally never post of forums or give feedback. But I have been playing a Warlock well Desto Warlock since Vanilla when my Original Soul Fire used to crit for 9k in 15man UBRS.

Ive seen alot of changes to Desto Warlocks, from being terrible to terribad to really OP then Nerf Batted in the same week. I have total played of over 600 days on my Warlock. I hardly ever raid just pug alot of content.

I enjoy my Warlock and still my Number 1 class. I just feel like as a Desto Warlock our Pets are week. Prior to 8.0 I could solo Tank Mythics using my VW, now my VW needs to be healed every 2nd or 3rd pull. Then when you Sac your pet your forced to take Demon Skin, Instead of Burning Rush, which is handy for running around gathering the mobs then drain life them down and now Drain life sucks.

Also why after all these years do healing Pots outrank our healthstones?

Looks forward to the comments and the abuse.

Cheers All.
Rathmanis Saurfang OCКомментарий от ossiferdowni don't understand how soul fire can be both in The Good and The Bad category.Комментарий от LargeNCharge86I love the big burst from combining inferno with lust, no one can touch me for ST dps, and the rotation is roughly the same as Legion, minus a couple things. But the AoE is so nerfed I'm really sad. The spec also pales in comparison to Aff for pvp due to everything having cast bars. I'll likely consider trying to run both specs for BFA, one for PvE and one for PvE.

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