They do. Sylvania forever. :)
@winterfallIt maybe that we do simply have to agree to disagree. But you asked, and I'm gonna answer. The problem with Sylvanas starts with "The Edge of Night.""Sylvanas Windrunner drifts in a sea of comfort, physical sensations replaced by the purity of emotion. She can grasp bliss, see joy, hear peace. This is the afterlife, her destiny. The eternal sea in which she found herself after she fell defending Silvermoon. She belongs here."I can't accept that one goes from this joyous afterlife to: "She saw only darkness. And then she felt—truly felt, for the first time in a long while. She recoiled. In agony. Here she was, her spirit once again feeling whole, only to feel it suffer. To feel once more, only to feel abject pain. Cold. Hopelessness.This was to be her eternity: the endless void, the dark, unknown realm of anguish."It is at this moment that I pledge my loyalty to Sylvanas forever. She's been done wrong. But she's still kicking, and kicking well. She's using her anger to fight. God, if only I could take all the anger I feel right now and do the same. She's my anti-hero. And to condemn her to the same fate as Arthas. Blizzard, Dave Kosak, that some pretty awesome misogyny. To condemn the victim to the same fate as her violator. That's ... really unacceptable.Is Sylvanas evil? No more than any other faction leader or hero for that matter. Blight? Let's call that what it is chemical warfare something that plenty of "heroes" have used in our own past and will again today if they think it's necessary. It is also something that is as dangerous to Sylvanas herself as to her enemies.She had it created because she thought it was the only think that would stop the Scourge. Note that without Arthas ripping her soul from her body it too might not have come to pass. None of this would.Sylvanas is angry, and she has every right to be angry. I'm angry for her. And I celebrate that she takes that anger and kicks some $%^&ing ass with it.Still she does save her people at Gilneas. She rises as an even more fearsome warrior in the face of this second injustice. Chemical warfare, btw, makes a lot of sense when your soldiers are not as physically strong as your enemy. And she makes it plain where her loyalties lie. Sylvanas: "The people who called this land their home in life, do so in death as well.But the Alliance does not recognize our rights. They claim this land is their own while attempting to invalidate the claims of the founders of this kingdom. I will never allow it... Never! Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken - always and forever."She also tries to explain to the idiot Garrosh why she is raising the dead willing to become forsaken: Garrosh: What you have done here, Sylvanas... It goes against the laws of nature. Disgusting is the only word I have to describe it. Sylvanas: Warchief, without these new Forsaken, my people would die out... Our hold upon Gilneas and northern Lordaeron would crumble.And she reminds us fans why we love Snarkvanas: Garrosh: What is the difference between you and the Lich King now? Sylvanas: Isn't it obvious, Warchief? I serve the HordeBut anyone who has played forsaken knows there is a real difference: free will."Welcome back to the realm of the living. With the blessing and power from the Dark Lady, I have freed you from death's grip.You are no slave, <name>. You are free to follow whatever path you choose from here. If you choose to serve the Dark Lady Sylvanas, I recommend you speak with Undertaker Mordo. You will find him behind me, in the graveyard." Note that the raised Night Elves on Darkshore also have a choice. The only one who doesn't is Derek, and that is revenge against Jaina and a questionable war tactic. But remember she doesn't stop you from saving him either, so what is it?In Legion we see a leader who is clearly willing to work with the Alliance for the greater good. She saves Varian's life with the awesome shoot while flying upside down move. She banters with him while we kill demons. And when she is asked to withdraw the Horde, by its Warchief Vol'gin, you see a look a regret pass on her face. Later, in the even more awesome cinematic, we see her genuinely shocked when he names her Warchief. She litterally stands motionless in place, presumably thought, while the action continues around her. It's not a power she wanted. She also give a rallying speech at his pyre that is 100% Sylvanas. Vengeance is all that is left to her after Arthas, but she knows how to use it well. This cinematic, btw, is what convinced me to make my first Horde main. Sylvanas is the strong woman I was looking for in WoW. She brought me back after WoD drove me away.Then dogboy errr Genn comes to mess stuff up. Sylvanas goes to find the way to ensure her people a future. He takes his personal vendetta on the road, defies orders, and decides that to get his revenge he will take it on the entire Forsaken. He ensures that Sylvanas is up against a wall with no acceptable way out. And he does it deliberately. She didn't mean to kill Liam, she meant to kill him. (BTW, How is Genn allowed to continue to be a loudmouthed bigot and why was I forced to work with him in getting to the eternal palace. I spent the entire scenario trying to slice him to pieces. At least I got to see his terrified dog face as he fell into Ashara's well.)But back to Legion - Is imprisoning Eyre a good thing? I don't know, but it's no worse than working for that asshat Odin. (Who abused his foster daughter Helya in a way that reminds you that there is a little underlying misogyny there too.) Is making a deal with Helya a bad thing? See above.The Sylvanas of "Before the Storm" was a little odd and not my favorite, but still she had to deal with too many people demanding her time, and effin' Calia Menethil. (Really Calia? You thought that was a good idea?) Sylvanas of "A Good War" is genuinely concerned with the Horde's long term survival. Even Saufang understands her reasoning:“The boy in Stormwind will not start a war tomorrow,” Saurfang said.Her eyebrows lowered. “With Genn Greymane in his ear? We will see.”That was a concern, Saurfang had to concede. In the thick of the fighting against the Burning Legion, Greymane had launched a mission to kill Sylvanas. It had gotten some of Stormwind’s few remaining airships destroyed.There were whispers that Greymane had ordered the attack without Anduin’s permission, but as far as Saurfang knew, Greymane had not been punished. The implications of that were troubling, and every possible explanation led to same conclusion: the old worgen would always drive the Alliance toward war against the Horde.Sylvanas’s eyes glittered. “And the boy is becoming a man. What if that man decides that he has no choice but to launch a war on us?” She pointed at the map. There was a large marking in Silithus, the place where the Dark Titan’s blade had pierced the world. “No matter what I do, that will change the balance of power. Azerite sightings are coming in from across the world, Saurfang. We still do not know its full potential, nor does the Alliance. We only know that it will create a new generation of warfare. What will war look like in twenty years? In a hundred?”Saurfang’s voice had dropped to a low growl. “A hundred years of peace is a worthy goal.” But as soon as the words left his mouth, he wanted to take them back. He knew what Sylvanas would say. And he would agree with it.The warchief did not disappoint. “If a hundred years of peace ends with a war that annihilates both sides, it was not a worthy goal. It was a coward’s bargain, trading the future for temporary comfort. The Horde’s children, and their children’s children, will curse our memories as they burn.” Her voice softened, but only slightly. “If life had any mercy at all, you and I would exist in peace for the rest of our days. We both have seen enough of war, but neither of us has seen the last of it.”Or to put it another way: "Ours is an endless cycle of hatred." And if the Alliance has Azerite, the Horde won't last long.Also in the "Sylvanas seems to really care about the fate of the entire Horde" column -- she risks her life, going through the barrier of wisps, taking on the job of tracking and killing both Tyrande and Malfurion, when she knows she is not as powerful as they are.Sylvanas Windrunner took a deep breath and then hissed it out in frustration. “If we have no other options, I will handle them myself.”Saurfang said nothing for a while. It was a bad idea, but at the moment, it was the best one they had.Saurfang and Sylvanas had discussed strategy and tactics for days, and it had become clear that there were two huge, inescapable points of failure in their plan: Malfurion Stormrage and Tyrande Whisperwind. The leaders of the night elves were powerful, dangerous, and perhaps even unbeatable on the field of battle. No matter how surprised the kaldorei would be by this attack, those two would be a terror for the Horde once the fighting began. They had lived for so long, and survived so much, that Saurfang had to consider the possibility that they could hold off the Horde long enough for the Alliance to send help. Ashenvale was their land, after all. They would rally nature itself to their cause.Sylvanas could match one of them—perhaps—but even she knew that taking them on by herself was ... not an ideal tactic. We do get some more awesome Snarkvanas:“You,” said Malfurion.“Ishnu-dal-dieb,” said Sylvanas Windrunner, raising her bow.And it is here we start the march to evil villain, and I start to feel really dejected. Enough hope is dangled .... I mean if Saurfang had killed Malfurion .... WHICH WAS THE 'EFFIN PLAN ... then it's possible Teldrassil would not be burned. He was fine with a whole bunch of other less than completely honorable war things, how is getting the jump on an extremely powerful druid bad?She handed the axe back to him. “I leave it to you, High Overlord.”“This was your fight.”She was already walking away. “This is your victory. None of this—not this battle, not Malfurion’s defeat—would have happened without you. You have earned this honor. Take a moment, if you’d like, and then take his head. I will meet you in Darkshore.” How dare he call Teldrassil her failure during Mak-gora! How dare he! I might add, Blizzard, that the whole "failure" montage really broke my heart and my spirit. To call someone who gave her life so her people might live a failure. Really? FU. (And F misogyny because not even Garrosh was treated this way.)So here's my problem, I'm not at all sure when she decided that "the Horde was nothing" because she has risked a lot for it's survival. She used HERSELF as bait in the Battle of Undercity. She sent her Valkyr to Darkshore and lost another. She waged the war no one else could to ensure the Horde's survival.But if that's the way you want to play it Blizzard, I guess I have no choice. My main is sitting at Windrunner Spire where I stayed after Sylvanas said her last words to me. I am waiting for the Dark Lady's return. I too no longer have any use for the Horde. I'm waiting for the Blizz Conn reveal, like the hopeful idiot I am, to see if I have any use for you.(I am sure that this is rife with errors, I apologize for that as well. Formatting was difficult with a post this long. Also it was a bit of a stream of consciousness riff/rant, but I wanted to put it down somewhere.)Alysedda, still loyal to the Dark Lady.
@winterfallA few other replies: She wants to kill Vareesa becauses she MISSES HER FAMILY. It's out of love, twisted love, but love.@Perehill Burning Teldrassil could have been seen as a moment in war when you do something terrible to demoralize the enemy. WWII The Allies firebombed Dresden in something that probably looked a lot like Teldrassil.