As in BfA demon will suffer for ramp up time, cleave fights and totally useless in pvp. I'm 100% sure i will respec from demon to affli or destro in Shadowlands, I'm tired I can't do anything in pvp situations
To add to this from a Demo Lock arena perspective:The change to Power Siphon is very good as this is the preferred talent of choice for both the Tyrant build and the Succubus build.The changes to pet summoning means your going to be health funnelling a lot in arena, and will have to manage your pet more so then you do now. No more pushing in with pet when opponents are behind a pillar, once they kill and you have to do a 6 sec cast, you lose soul link, you lose the game.Demonic Consumption change is also fantastic for PvP as you no longer have a small window to get a big tyrant out, due to no longer relying on imp energy vs all demon HP. Furthermore this may take into account HP pool of Fel Lord (Current Fel Lord is a joke at 43k HP - Dies to passive cleave and does no dmg) .Venthyr/Necrolord & Kyrian all have potential in PvP. Venthyr abilities are shadow school which isn't helpful but having another port is always useful. Necrolord shield could be very good, but once again the ability is shadow school. Kyrian dot, although not fitting the Demo play style, is arcane, having another school of magic can be very useful, and another heal from the steward could be quite powerful. Night Fae lose 20% health - no thanks.Balespiders Burning Core synergy with new Power Siphon is very appealing for Succubus build, Tyrant build will probably default to Wilfred's - as Kalamazi stated in his video I am hoping for a buff from 0.3 seconds to 0.5.Demonic Circle going baseline is a huge buff to Demo PvP - running both Circle and Coil is now possible, very huge for Tyrant goes.I am hoping they do a pass of our PvP talents now that curses are baseline. Currently Fel Lord and to a lesser extent Observer feel under-tuned (Fel Lord especially). Singe Magic is never used. Essence Drain as well. Castiing Circle has it's uses in certain comps but most the time you take Master Summoner/Call Felhunter (Have not talented out of these 2 all of BFA) with the 3rd spot usually Nether Ward/Curse of Fragility.Anyway I probably missed some stuff here and there are better players then me in arena who have more insight, but I do have hope that Demo in Shadowlands PvP (Arena especially) will be a more viable choice then it was in BFAManiiolo (2.2k+ experience Demo Lock every season BFA)
I really do wish Demo wasn't basically locked into playing with just the Felguard. We're supposed to be the master of demons... so we're pigeonholed into using only one. I do like the BM-style idea of letting us have an extra one out. I think it makes more sense for us to be able to have two pets out than hunters. To go along with this, I seriously wish Soul Strike and Demonic Strength worked for all demons, and just had a different flavor based on what demon is out (e.g. imp using rain of fire, vw using a void explosion or something). I also wish we'd get more demon glyphs to diversify what demon models we can use, or even had the ability to bind different demons to the "class" each demon fills. I'm thinking like the imps are the 'casters', vw is the 'tank', felguard is, like, a 'brute', succubus and doggo are 'controllers or something. That'd be a big systems change, probably, but come on; hunters get all the love. Legion added a ton of cool demons that need a new home now that their master is imprisoned, such as the inquisitors as a glyph for the imp or something, as well as other new void things from BfA. In addition to this, I'd love to be able to change what demons are summoned with Hand of Gul'dan with other expendable demons (e.g. the demon eyes inquisitors summon); I hate imps and I'm tired of using them. Other than some recolored succubi, we haven't gotten any new demons we can use since BC, and with all of the cosmetic changes being made in SL, it's high time that changed. That's my wishlist for the last two expansions, now. I really like how demo changed in Legion/BfA as a whole, but these changes, coupled with, like, most of NotWarlock stated in the main article, would seriously make locks feel perfect. And loved, for once in their life.
I just got an idea.Since Demonology is supposed to be the "demons master" or the "controller of many demons" (It's this specialization's specialty) then why not always have 2 basic demons instead of one? The first one will be fixed (i.e: Felguard), and the second one, any of the other 4 basic demons. So say for example: Felguard + Felhunter. Or, Felguard + any of the others... (Of course this needs balancing and what not, but, why it can't be this way?).Demonology is a specialization that capacitates (or capable) of pooling many creative ideas. Lot's of great things can be done with this specialization.Edit: Just read the comment above mine. Definitely this idea has crossed the minds of many players in many different times. It really just fits the specialization that it can use more than one basic demon.
Is this Dyrus?
Demonology Warlocks needs to be able to summon more than 1 proper demon like the Beastmaster Hunter. I mean being stuck with a Felguard ( since all the talents and skills are based on it ) is not a 'Master summoner'. At this point, Destruction Warlocks are more of a master summoners with their constant Infernal spamming.
I was being ridiculed many times for saying this, but i do really want Demo to be like BM hunters. I cant see any reason behind not having demons of our choice. If we can control the demon for 5 mins then why not making them permanent pet? Balancing wont be a big problem if they categorizes demons into hunter like specs (fero, tena, cun). Or at lease demo locks should be able to use the demons of their choice, or bigger demons. If they want to fulfil the fantasy of demon caller instead of demonology, then they should give us more speed at casting and swarm the battlefield with demons (1 imp per 12 secs or 2 charging dreadstalker aint swarming). The spec itself started as a hybrid of demon hunter and unholy death knight. Now its time to fulfil the actual fantasy of the demo locks.
As someone who played ONLY Demonology for the entire expansion I can say Demonology is just a meme spec at this point.The only way it saw any play was at BoD when Explosive Potential was super OP.I love the theme of the spec more than any other class/spec in the game, but it's just bad and is basically forgotten by the devs after the overhaul at the BfA alpha/beta.Cast times should be reduced so Haste isn't a big deal as it is, legendaries are mediocre at best (Explosive Potential one is terrible imo), Nether Portal is a joke and some other talents are still completely dead.I should mention Doom but, you know, devs love it.
Demo atm is very op compare to other classes needs nerf ASAP affliction too
"Pet summoning taking 6s baseline is a huge quality of life decrease. It feels clunky while leveling and your Summon Felguard is dying more regularly than you remember and one instant summon every three minutes is just......not enough. Not to mention this completely eliminates any chance you will have to "quickly" swap pets back and forth in M+ for interrupts if your group absolutely needs you to interrupt."Felguard Axe Throw now interrupts. This change was made on the beta a while ago.At least get people who play the class to write these guides, jeez.
The 6 second cast time on summoning and the insistence on the devs to push Doom onto us make me sad. I'll still main demonology the entire expansion just as I have since Wrath, I just hope I'll be able to have fun with it.
I like that suggestion for axe toss. Also, instead of a second perm pet, they could bring back a Гримуар: охотник Скверны talent (but with a shorter CD and duration, and no shard cost). The damage + utility could make it compete with other damage talents, even if it did a less.
Does the random Curse from Impending Catastrophe overwrite doom. Limit of one curse should still apply right?
where is Doomguard?
It's =/= its. Does anyone even proofread this stuff before posting it?
Necrolord Demon Warlock here - I LOVE Decimating Bolt!