That was kind of contradicting. At first he says all the Drakas from all the alternate realities are threads in a rope, but then he says the her husband and son are threads on that rope, and to top it off he then says that alternate Draka is not really Thrall's mom, but the Draka in shadowlands is... WTF i thought they were they same ^&*!ing rope.... im more confused now then i was before. I wish they had just said that WoD was a fever dream, a magical simulation, some time paradox closed system shenanigans, but then we'd have to explain allied races... maybe we can say it only becomes real once it magically exits the matrix and comes to our timeline.
What a great effort he went through to avoid saying “We don’t know.” I find it very dishonest to make up some objectively illogical nonsense on the spot like that.So is AU Velen soul in Shadowlands waiting for the other Velen to die and join with him? Are they going to remember each of their lives or go insane from the confusion? Clearly from what we saw of Draka she is an independent person who has memories of her old life. I appreciate the imagination he’s trying to inject here but man that is some next level mental gymnastics he’s performing.
He still doesnt explain what happens if someone long dead that could likely have been under a venthyr prison for example can suddenly come back to life as undead, what happens then, what if they die again.
Ropes. Hahhaa. Who are they kidding? So much of so-called lore or the explanation of lore is just wriggling caused by the fact that storytellers want cool things to happen but don't want the hassle of tidying up the loopholes, the contradictions, the paradoxes, etc. I blame Christopher Nolan for the recent glut of this sort of behaviour.
Blizzard, so if we will kill Sylvanas in Shadowlands, there still can be 100500 Sylvanas as other parts of the thread across cosmos that will tray alive?Or if any part of the thread will die in Shadowlands that character will die forever?
they just converge, people, there's no ambiguous "maybe we'll find out later"he just said they eventually converge into one personmaybe a bit boring, but it ties it up
Warlords of Draenor inflicted irreparable damage on the story and structural machinations of the Warcraft Universe.At this point WoD should just be declared non-canon and replaced with "Gul'dan came back somehow." That, along with changing the Mag'har orcs to come from Outland instead of Draenor, and most people wouldn't really notice a difference.As someone already pointed out, the explanation he gave about alternate universe souls being strands of the same rope is something I'd expect from JJ Abrams. It is an attempt at deep philosophical existentialism that has absolutely no business being in World of Warcraft, and on top of that, it is easily disproven if you simply apply basic logic.He has no answer to the question because there is no answer to the question.Logically speaking, if WoD and Shadowlands exist in the same universe, then you would expect infinite Thralls, infinite Velens, infinite Illidans, etc, etc, etc.But you would also encounter a universe with two twin night elf girls named Illidina and Malfuria. In another, you might find a half-robotic Queen Azshara ruling Azeroth with an iron fist while she sits atop her throne in a fully-repaired Exodar. On another, perhaps you would find Tyrande and Genn Greymane married and had a child named Reginald Forscythe who was prophesized to trap Elune in a magical bottle. That's the problem with infinite worlds: you will literally encounter everything if you live long enough.It's a colossal mess and it's much easier to just pretend Warlords of Draenor never happened at all.
This is a dumb explanation. Would Draka in Maldraxxus have any sort of memories of the daughter she has from AU Draenor? The whole rope idea just doesn't really work.
WOD was a mistake!
Short answer. They don't know.
That explanation of time and death not being related makes no sense, considering Uther and Devos had to wait for Arthas to die to claim his soul.
I appreciate an attempt at explanation but this rope analogy was obviously overthought, and I refuse to accept it, hell I stopped reading the minute he started talking about imagining the rope, and seeign how long the following paragraph was. Nobbel's theory makes more sense and is much easier to understand. Just that, in the Shadowlands souls change shape or lose their forms all the time. They usually never keep the same form they had in life for long. You might come across your alternate double and not even know it, because everyone's souls and memories are constantly shifting and changing, gained and lost. Time has no bearing in the Shadowlands, and so neither do alternate timelines or the people from them. The afterlife is just a collection of beings spending their eternities there, everything else is eventually shed away. Simple as that. I do think that the two ideas, that souls are constantly changing form, and that souls of the same person coalesce into one over time don't have to be mutually exclusive though. If we go with Nobbel's proposed theory (which already has some backing in the game, as the denizens of the Shadowlands are all souls that have changed form over time, whether by ritual, or by just being there. See , Revendreth, Maldraxxus & Bastion especially.), then logic would follow that souls sometimes coalescing into one being isn't out of the realm of possibility within The Shadowlands.Anyway someone at Blizzard should retract this rope idea, p l e a s e. I can practically hear the bong rips in-between his words when he describes the analogy. I hope they back pedal on this response until they have a concrete answer, or just say that it's not relevant in the grand scheme of the narrative, as extensive time travel and alternate timelines won't be revisited to keep from story clutter.
How i understad the rope theory and what blizz said about other realities is that.1. Other realities in wow obly exist and keep on existing as long as we main universe interacted with them somehow. 2. The thread explaination to me is, if a Main universe character dies, he will be that person the main one. And for the other realities that exist, it wouldnt really matter, because we only had interacted with a few. Draenor. In the shadowlands the time is eternal, so it dosent matter anyway if there are another 400 drakkas that are alive, because the first drakka had already died, so when the others eventually dies, all the other will be going to the first that died.3. There was a draenor on AU draenor, and it was evil as well. Being the worst posible warchief isnt that all the other posibilities are good, just less worse. And venthyr also punish people for being too full of themselves. Afik.4. I dont think that having consistencies in a game that has time stuff and alterate realities that we can interact is important. In real life we would be equally cofused but they qould be working. Applying logic to a game that dosent always respect it, is no good. I mean there are a lot of things in IRL that scape to sciencie and some of them we may never had an aswer for it. Thanks for reading my ted talk.
this is just a long winded way of saying that alternate realities don't hold any weight in the afterlife. Drakka and Garrosh are the beings from the main timeline and that's that. A benevolent Garrosh from a separate timeline is irrelevant and just gets mushed into main timeline garrosh upon death, except that such a Garrosh has never existed and was merely a potential path. Until our Azeroth opens another path to a pocket universe in which Garrosh is good, he doesn't exist.The main timeline is the only one that matters because it's the one we are looking at. Everything else is just "potential events" that only become a reality upon the main timeline meddling with time/space/void magicAs far as I'm concerned, there is no second illidan, no second malfurion, no second Anduin etc, because our Azeroth has never opened that path. WOD is weird, but they don't have to change anything other than admit that these alternate beings aren't accounted for and simply become additional anima of the main timeline soul
That rope thing was amusingly dumb...Wouldn't it be more simple, if you are from the main universe, then your soul "anchored" to the main univerese's Shadowland, and if you are from an AU, then you go to an alternate one. Boom problem solved.
I understand what Blizzard is getting at with the AU souls thing, but the problem is that it kinda flies in the face of sending a character to a realm.If Garrosh was the greatest warchief the Horde had in multiple timelines and the one we had was the worst version of him, it feels like the good would outweigh the bad and he'd not have gone to Revendreth.It would have been better if they just didn't use Garrosh and kept the Shadowlands as one timeline only.