To see the whole story you need to look at it from a lore-nerd's perspective, which in turn means looking at all sources directly (not wowwiki) and analyzing them in their context. When this is done you'll have a deeper respect for every side, not just Varian but also his companions and the further culture developed in the comics.I've already laid out many things that are missed if you haven't read the comics in my earlier post, so I won't repeat. However, I will say that it is evident many people only know the WoWWiki shorthand version of Varians character pre-wow-insertion. To say that Varian needs to put his own issues aside and work with the horde is idiotic since he already tried that, twice, and the last time he did it the horde (actually the Twilights Hammer but they framed the horde) sent an assassin to cut out his heart.The comic really isn't that expensive and although some parts of are sub-par quality there are other issues which are top-notch, plus if you don't want to buy it in comic format you can get it in hard cover format that includes 6 issues per.P.S. drawing a comparison between Varian and Arthas is completely appropriate in many contexts as Varian grew up with Arthas and they very likely rubbed off on each other.
I don't like him because he has a pretty huge grudge against the Horde and is ready to kill any hordie he sees. I understand his grudge and all but wasn't the Horde in internment camps at one point in time? They were able to go and be all ok with it, they are still angry about it but they don't go and freak out about "OMG Kill them!".Horde generally try to avoid stuff and then alliance are like "No" and then Horde are caught in it. Examples include Alterac Valley - Dwarves wanted to look around and the Horde got angry and said "No" and then they still kept looking around.
I read a few of the longer posts on this thread, and they've said what I think many WoW players think: he seems to have come out of nowhere if you're not a huge lore nerd. I haven't read any of the comics, only occasionally do I seek out characters on Wowwiki, I haven't read any of the novels. I play this game enough as it is. I don't plan on spending any more money per month except for me to be able to play and enjoy the game for what it is. I had heard that Alliance were getting a new leader. The last I had heard is that he was a little kid, then he shows up being 20 years older and a huge ^&*!@#. He seems like such a black-and-white character in the game. From what we've seen he only has one side and that's angry and reactionary. Saurfang lost his son at the Wrathgate, but he just takes the armor (still probably hurts) and tells you that he died a good death --in battle-- that any Orc would want. Varianna only wants to see the Horde destroyed for something that they didn't even cause. Maybe we (for the Horde) don't see him as much as we should to make him more likable to our side but, maybe we shouldn't.
If Blizz does initiate war with Varian, as others have stated, Garrosh would probably be the one to rise against him, probably against the Draenei (Outlands still in dispute) and Night Elves (Ashenvale) and dwarves (Alterac).There's a million and one ways to go about "what if"
first off id like to say iv always been a horde guy, that alone makes me want to make a pin cushion out of Wrynn. that aside i have read the comics and i can see why he wants to have a war with the horde but like people keep saying his to hot headed and aggressive to be a good leader, Thrall on the other hand has all it takes to be a well liked leader(and a good one at that) if they wanted to make an anti Thrall they should of at least made him more thoughtful and cunning in his approach to the horde even after all his been through. but i am an optimist at heart and look forward to seeing more alliance and horde interaction (especially between Thrall and Wrynn)
If blizzard did that then people will still be QQ'ing over Varian saying that he's too much like Thrall imo.
I think what makes me sick is that people sympathize with Orcs so much. They are a selfish race who believe they have some sort of right to be on Azeroth...but they don't. They came to Azeroth as invaders, destroyed their own homeworld, and then occupied all three continents. But, oh, it's okay, because we exorcised the evil in us and we're okay now.I hardly claim that the humans are the good guys, but look at what they've been forced to endure. They fought two bloody wars with a merciless, bloodthirsty enemy. They endure a plague, brought to them by none other than one of the bloodthirsty orcs they fought off for two generations (how quickly we forget that the Lich King was once an Orc). Then they have to fight off the Burning Legion, and lose yet more of their population to another bloodthirsty enemy.True, the Orcs have endured much as well, but much of it was voluntary on their part. They were the ones who made the blood oath with Mannoroth. It was not forced upon them. And just because for once they decide to make the right decision they should simply be forgiven? It is the *native* races of Azeroth who have suffered for the sins of the Orcs. It is they who watch the Orcs make their homes on the ruins of the human cities their ilk destroyed.But that's okay, right? After all, Thrall's such a nice guy. How stupid of someone who once watched his father murdered and his homeland burned to blame the race who brought it all upon him. After all, none of you would be bitter, right? How silly of him to be so jaded as to think that a race that has made its living on murder and pillage wouldn't change overnight. By the way, that's sarcasm.The fact is, even with my experiences looking from the Orcs' side of this whole conflict, what I've seen is a still very violent race being held at bay by an increasingly unpopular leader. If Thrall were overthrown, does anyone here actually think Orcs would still be so peaceful? There's an old saying: you can't teach an old dog new tricks. If that's Varian Wrynn's way of thinking, then I not only understand it, but I agree with it. Turnabout is fair play, and the Orcs have a whole lot of karma coming their way. And in my opinion, they haven't done near enough to pay that blood debt.Dear,An Angry Human
NekoSOM has brought up a good point, even though orcs have been relatively "good" for the past w.e. years, much of Azeroth's troubles have been brought on by the orcs.Now while it is important to forgive and forget, the conflict is still there and not over.that reminds me of a comic from the contests: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#135
This part of lore is kind of hazy to me so:Did the Horde ever make amends with the Alliance or did they simply agree to a ceasefire?
That's not exactly what I meant. Why didn't they gather all their forces including the forces from the battlegrounds to combat the Burning Legion that was threatening them all?They were basically working together for a greater goal, and at that point they really had little to no reason to continue bickering amongst themselves.I understand your point of small wars that really has nothing to do with a total war part, but my point is: for what reason?