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Как не хорошо, близы... Сколько проклятий в ваш адрес каждый год льтётся во время детской недели, когда пве игроки вынуждены делать пвп ачивы, вы снова за своё. Ничему вы не учитесь =)
К сожалению, это задание необходимо выполнить, чтобы получить бесцветное гнездо для вашего оружия.

Комментарий от RoloTomasi

Плюсую к предыдушему посту. Игра где расстояние между ПВП и ПВЕ настолько разделенно и сделано это самими разработчиками в силу ряда причин опять заставляет пересекаться ПВЕ и ПВП ветки. Вобщем тупо и глупо.

Комментарий от n0m1d

за альянс с ума сойдешь делать

Комментарий от Nervarin

Для ПВЕшников - Нужно сходить на 2 соответствующих БГ и выиграть!

Комментарий от vladin

Я рассматриваю этот квест по другому. Наверно по мнению Blizzard, не так много людей занимаются Пвп ремеслом. И этот квест своеобразная реклама. Мол гляди что ты теряешь: тебя будут материть, ты будешь виновником проигрышей твоей фракции, тебя будут убивать и не раз, "ДАВАИТЕ ДЕФ !"№№%"Ц" и так далее.

Комментарий от MrNo

Учитывая, что Пандария позиционировалась как аддон для ПВПешеров и на протяжении всего контента квестовые зоны постоянно сталкивали Орду и Альянс, вполне логичный квест.

Для его выполнения можно как самостоятельно зайти на БГ через поиск, так и позвать кого-нибудь из друзей ПВПшеров. Группой в 3-5 игроков со связью выиграть шансов на много больше. Да и если вас сопровождает опытный друг, направляя подсказками, все проходит гораздо легче.

Для тех, кто не понимает задач:

1. В храме Котмогу ваша команда должна как можно больше и дольше удерживать сферы. Соответственно, вы, как истинный ПВЕшер сферки поднимать должны уж в крайнем случае, поскольку выживать вы просто не умеете, а так ваша основная задача - охранять своих сфероносцев ввязывая в бой противника, раскидывая контроль, замедления и т.д. Если вы хил - не просто хильте своих сфероносцев, но и раздавайте контроли противнику, диспельте с врагов полезные бафы, замедляйте их. Играйте на команду. Пытаться убивать сфероносцев противника для вас тоже смысла нет: без ПВП-шмоток ваш урон будет сильно ослаблен. Оставьте это ПВПешерам. Помните - как бы вы ни хилили или сейвили своего сфероносца, рано или поздно он все равно умрет. Ну и послелднее - если рядом сферка и к ней бегут игрок вашей команды и игрок противника - сделайте все, чтобы противник не добежал до сферки первым. Не пытайтесь быть героем - просто выполняйте цель задания.

2. Сверкающие копи. Здесь нужно доводить тележки до точки. Тележки всего лишь три, но точек завершения четыре и пять путей доставки (выбор двух путей осуществляется стрелкой). Тележки выходят из центра карты на равном удалении от респа команд. Захват точки идет той команде, количество игроков которой рядом с тележкой больше. Отсюда задача всеми способами завязать как можно больше игроков противника в бою вне зоны тележки, а также тормозить их на перебежках между тележками. Если вы истинный ПВЕшер вашей задачей будет отвлекать противника, мешать ему двигаться, контролить и оттаскивать от тележки. Иногда стоит переводить стрелку на дальний путь, чтобы затянуть получение очков команде противника. Геройствовать и пытаться отбить тележку в одиночку смысла нет: как ПВЕшера вас обязательно быстро убьют, ведь навыков выживания и дамага от вас почти нет.

Не рекомендую пытаться выполнить самостоятельно без группы друзей это задание во время призыва на какое либо из этих БГ: в этот период увеличивается количество "примов" и просто заходящих туда достаточно сильных ПВПшеров, что повышает требования к вам, как к игроку.

С дополнения 5.3. этот квест делать проще: 65% устойчивости на ПВЕ-вещах заметно улучшили выживаемость.

Если у вас полоса невезения, попробуйте сменить время, когда вы пытаетесь заходить на БГ: встаньте в очередь не вечером, а утром. Скорее всего соотношение сил изменится.
Победа сильно зависит от везения в подборе команд. По ночам очень много ботов (и для вас будет хорошо, если большинство из них в команде противника).

Комментарий от Igelchen

Поделал ночью этот квест.
ПВП-шники - традиционные нытики: недовольны, что народ в ПВЕ шмоте регается на БГ. Претензии - Близзам. Надо по квесту пройти 2 БГ - народ будет регаться, пока не пройдёт.. А вот ПВП комплект шмоток из-за одного квеста народ добывать точно не будет. Неприятно удивило, что ордынские противники 100% с буржуйских серверов. Я надеялся, что будут боты.
По поводу "рекламы" БГ и ПВП аспекта игры. Этот квест - замечательная реклама того, что в ПВП лезть совершенно ни к чему, что ПВП-шеры в массе (не все!) - больные люди, что, например, из-за недоехавшей тележки можно такой срач развести, будто она везла чистое золото и команда попала на деньги. :)

Комментарий от 1116799

Предоставляю вам всю цепочку квестов на Легендарный Плащ.

Нейтральная репутация с Черный принц

Чужак в чужой стране
Так рождается легенда
Сила врагов
Испытание Черного принца

Уважение

Страх как он есть
Дыхание Черного принца (Награда: гидравлический камень)
Приближение...

Мерило для предводителя
Испытание доблести
Цель принца

Почтение

Львиный рык или Слава Орде
Смена командования или Смена командования
Зов предводителя или Душа Орды (Награда: Око Черного принца)
Властелин Грома

Встретимся наверху
Секреты Первой империи
Мне нужен герой

Превознесение

Кузня Грома
Дух Повелителя Гроз
Корона Небес (Награда: Мета-камень в шлем)
Эхо титанов
Сердце Властелина Грома
Расплата

Благословение Небожителей
Плащ добродетели (Награда: Плащ, предшествующий легендарному)
Подготовка к удару

Вневременное открытие
Тайны Вневременного острова
Путь Императора
Легенда пандаренов (Награда: Вневременная сущность рода черных драконов)
Решение Черного принца

Взят за основу, откорректирован и дополнен пост Holos-а.

Комментарий от 1140989

сложно выполнить за альянс,играю за обе фракции хилами,за орду удалось выполнить с первого раза,за альянс все 10 попыток на сверкающих копях - впустую

Комментарий от refwe3

Сделал довольно быстро, хз может на прим альянса попадал.

I'm not sure what Wintersorrow is experiencing, but I don't have this quest while I do have 'A Test of Valor'

Basically I got revered, got my chimera, turned all the quests in in order - sigils, chimera, waiting for fleet, achieved revered, had a little talk about the Varian, then was immediately given 'A Test of Valor' without getting 'The Lion's Roar'. Talking to Wrathion now just shows the progression line on 'A Test of Valor'.

I wonder if it's a bug.

Комментарий от Spectrence

For those who are unhappy about it, the interesting thing about these two battlegrounds is how you can sort of view it as a pve event. One is to defend the tanks holding the orbs, and the other is essentially a series of escort quests. Also, for those new to the whole pvp scene, do keep in mind that once the majority of players will be on this quest, that means both sides will have people in your similar situation.

And if you're purely a pve player, group queue with trusted members of your raid and, as stated above, treat them as a pve objective.

Комментарий от 1064596

just hit exalted with operation shieldwall... thought that would open this up... looks like we have to complete "a test of valor"

Комментарий от Steamhammer

I can can confirm that this and Смена командования were available after completing Испытание доблести

Комментарий от 259842

As a healer (or any class with healing gear) I offered my services as a healbot for a few bgs for anyone in pvp gear.

People even on my fairly low-pop server jumped at the chance and we subsequently destroyed the 2 bgs in under 20 mins.

Комментарий от xeraphax

This is a quest which is going to really annoy the PvPers.

PvE geared players will come in, with little or no PvP gear, no clue what to do, and generally spent a lot of time running around trying to work out where to go while dying almost immediately to PvP players.

If you're lucky, others will win this for you. If you're not, you could be spending a while.

This will be like Children's week, but over a much longer period of time.

PvPers will not be happy. (Nor will those who hate PvP)

Комментарий от druishprncss

I hate blizzard so much for this messed up quest. I am not a PvPer. I only PvE. Taken me about a week to complete it to no avail still.

Комментарий от 1083973

It isnt obvious were you have to go to start the quest. Can someone help plz

Комментарий от Taenamyr

So basically... if you don't PVP you are never going to be able to finish the quest line? I mean... I cna que for a battle ground.. But I've never participated in pvp before except getting ganked by idiots who flag them self and get the sha of anger group all flagged.

So what are people who don't pvp supposed to do? I mean... if you have to win the battle gorund to progress, how are people who have no idea what they are doing and don't want to be there supposed to be an asset to the team? How are you supposed to win if you have people who have no pvp gear and aren't going to waste the time and money to get it just for one quest?

Give up on doing the wrathion quest for alts then... becuase it'll be impossible to get it on your main if you are a raider and don't like to pvp.

Комментарий от Dlougach

Now blizzard asks you to win BGs. Then they'll ask you to get at least 2200 team and personal rating.

Комментарий от 1037852

Really, I think you should stop QQ'ing.
Aren't PvE players better than bots? Really!
C'mon, we all see bots in BG's. Going to the first flag and stays there...
I'd rather want half group filled with PvE players than having bots.

Комментарий от SylviaDragon

Woah guys calm down! Deep breaths ok? This may sound intimidating for pvers but in all honestly it’s a very simple quest and you can win both battlegrounds without having a clue how to do them. You don’t need to organize a group, spend weeks gearing up or even use vent.
My advice to the pvers? Just get it over nice and fast like ripping off a band aid. Its only two wins, most qs pop within the first three minutes and most games last 15-20 min. No one can kick you for having a bad pvp gear score and the truth is there will probably be other players in the same boat as you since fresh 90s will be trying to earn honor in there as well. Also (and I cannot stress this enough) THIS IS NOT A RATED BALLTEGROUND. IT’S A PUG. You do not need to get a group together or use voice chat to finish this quest. Just press H, pick your bg and wait two min.
You don’t have to be good at it; you just have to be there. If you come in during the last three seconds of a winning game and do absolutely nothing you will still get credit for your quest.

If you don’t have any pvp gear whatsoever then this is what I recommend you do:

Temple of Kotmogu : In this game there are four different colored orbs in each corner of the main field. Holding these orbs grants your team points and the closer the orb holders are to the middle of the map, the more points your team will earn. Players with the orbs will both deal and take more damage. As a pver with no pvp gear, your only job is to jump down into the middle and try and kill the players of the opposing faction with a big glowing horde/alliance symbol above their heads. (They have the orbs) Healers: just heal stuff. orb holders will die sooner or later but you need to keep them up as long as you can. Let players with gear pick up the orbs for your team.

Silvershard Mines: There will be three mine carts moving towards dead ends on your map. The shortest path is lava. (The road ends in a red blob on your map) the middle one is sometimes called water, (Medium length) and the lase one on the far right is called bridge. Most player’s usually want to control the lava and water roads because they cap in the shortest amount time. You control a mine cart by standing near it until it glows red or blue depending on your faction color. If your team controls the mine cart when it reaches the end of the line, you cap it and gain victory points. (I think it’s 1600 points to win the game?)
As a pver you should just seek safety in numbers. Try and find out what mine carts your team is going to attack first. (These are pug groups though so they may be clueless. Fair warning.) Just help your group take over a cart and put down ccs and slows to keep the enemy team as far away from the mine cart as possible. The key to this game is standing inside the circle around the mine cart. Just stay close and cc and you should be fine.

If you hate pvp or are just intimidated by it, pace yourself. Only do one or two bgs a day if you have to, until you win. Most of my friends got it in 2-4 games. Be sure to check with your guild and friends to see if any pvpers would be willing to join you for a quick game if you want some extra help. Yes you don’t have the gear and yes you will probably die a lot but there are always players being carried in bgs and we still manage to win. PvP is mostly about choosing glyphs and talents that provide survivability instead of damage. CCs are also a big part of pvp so you can glyph and change talents accordingly if you want to. good luck and I hope you get your quest done soon! =)

Комментарий от Eillesthis

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Комментарий от cutter4570

A pox on Blizzard. I don't like PVP and resent being forced to do it. 6 times in the mines before I won it and I'm at the 10th time thru the Temple and still nothing. Brawler Club is as close to PVP as I want to get. If they need to force us to do PVP on account of low participation then maybe Blizzard needs to stop PVP completely.

Комментарий от 813784

Forcing people to do a pvp quest was a miserable thing to do in the middle of a pve quest.

The very least Blizz could do if they were going to pull these kinds of shenanigans would be to allow those of us who dislike pvp to queue up against other people with no pvp gear. Instead we're forced into an encounter we have no interest in with inappropriate gear to be anything other than a hindrance to the rest of our battleground group.

FWIW, I used to suffer through some pvp just for the weapons years ago... up until Blizz decided the weapons should not be available unless you suffer through too much to make it worth considering for those of us who have a primary interest in pve.

Комментарий от mstieler

This wouldn't be so bad if it was just "win 2 BGs"; at least then I might luck into something slightly more enjoyable (as a PvE'r) than ToK or SM; something different, other than having to lose the same long-ass way every damn time. I mean there's 10 different BGs in WoW, a few I flat-out haven't gone into at all due to being allergic to PvP, and if I had seen some different scenery while doing this quest, that would've been greatly appreciated.

Комментарий от hairyscarr

this has got to be the biggest con job that blizz has ever perpetuated on us there paying customers......i gave up pvp after BC because i find that pvp sucks......i play on a pve server not a pvp server so why should they force pvp quests upon us to complete this quest line i got the world events done back when it was relatively easy like nearly 4 years ago .............so come on blizz drop this quest in the next patch to make us pve'rs happy

Комментарий от Mairin

It's a good job these silvershard ques are short because after 14 1600-200 losses today alone this could take a while...

Комментарий от Pevlic

Wow...way to screw over people who HATE to PvP blizz. *brain storming session at blizz* In order to complete the legendary quest line for Wrathion, let's FORCE people to PvP. What the hell were you people thinking with this? There are those of us that SUCK at PvP and HATE doing it...yet in order to finish this quest line we're going to HAVE to PvP? Good job blizz...way to screw people over yet again

Комментарий от Soreleyn

I give up on this. I already had to go through this on my discipline priest. Which felt like a breeze because I was invincible and I had two very skilled guildies with me. But as a shaman, this is just ridiculous.

Комментарий от kronchev

It wouldn't be so bad if Silvershard Mines wasn't the absolutely @#$%tiest map for Alliance. It's very badly Horde biased, not fun at all, and we somehow just can't even get close to winning.

Комментарий от Rekra

I enjoyed reading the qq on this page. This pvp quest is about as tame as blizzard could have made it... and still the rage

Комментарий от Aquilani

being a pve'r this sucks lost about 15 straight now.... I am not really sure why this is part of a pve legendary quest

Комментарий от santoxthanksyou

This reminds me of when my mom used to force me to eat my pumpkin because it was meant to be good for me...I hated it then and I still don't like it now as an adult! Blizz, please...don't force this pve'r to eat his pumpkin! I don't like it!

Комментарий от 355827

I'm still stuck on this, closest ive been to winning is 1533 when we lost. About to hit 70k lifetime HK too. So i pvp enough.

I don't care if this is a PVP themed expansion.
This games developers said they want to support the two play styles, then the force this junk on every person who wants to complete the quest line

Kinda funny that i've grinded 4700 honor from loses.

Комментарий от mlowther

I would just like to voice how unfair it is that Blizzard makes those of us who have absolutely no interest in pvp gaming play pvp. I would really like to go to the new isle but apparently I don't get to because I don't play pvp. And I don't care what the other person said about it being no big deal just go in the temple of kotmogu and do this and that. Well I have been in it about 11 times now and everytime Alliance gets creamed by about 1000 points. Something is drastically wrong with this picture. I can see one or two groups not being very good, but every single group I have been in has been beaten by ridiculous numbers. There is a fault somewhere and I think it lies at Blizzard's feet.

Комментарий от Magicbeaner

Personally, I have no idea why in the nine levels of ^&*!ing hell would blizzard put this in the game. I have attempted for days to win a %^&*ing silvershard mines on my main and I don't understand the amount of piece of #$%^ garbage players are on the alliance. People who QQ about others when they are in greens and blues with 200k-290k hp. I have lost and lost to the point I'm getting so mad about that battleground I am ready to forsake the $%^&ing cloak and not deal with this #$%^.

Комментарий от Chickmonk707

Well after 12 fails in Silvershard Mines im beginning to think Blizz doesn't care for ally to complete this legendary quest..... pretty demoralizing if you ask me!

Комментарий от 941242

Im not demeaning anyone but SylviaDragon's guide is just not enough by far. Im sure that she/he is in a server that is grouped up with others in a battlegroup that can deal with bg's well for the faction she/he is in.

Meanwhile if your on Skywall or w/e battlegroup Skywall is attached with and if your in the alliance your not going to have a good day if at all. Ive just played today alone 9 matches (over 30 attempts in all) in the Silvershard Mines and i have not even gotten better then about half the final score of the horde side.

If your going to do this quest. Its best to have a full team of pvp players to help you. This is nowhere close to a reasonable difficulty to finish and its all cause of the Silvershard Mines. In short if there was a difficulty level for this quest it would be under then near impossible for any normal pve player to do.

Комментарий от Ooko

To everyone crying about Blizzard "making" you do things that you don't like doing:

So you LIKE rep grinding?
You LIKE farming for mats and gold?
You LIKE killing trash?

All of these things are required for PvE progress. Just grit your teeth, suck it up, and view it as another boring grind.

Комментарий от 135800

Alliance can nerver win in a Battle in the Silvershard Mines

Комментарий от tabitreader

Can "War Games" be used to get credit for this quest?

I cannot seem to get a win on either battleground. It seems to me after a lot of time doing these 2 that the Horde use this to easily farm up honor points because they know that the Alliance players are going to be in PVE gear and have zero PVP power or defense, while they will have quite alot. The PVE horde players doing this quest will get the win in the first one or two tries and then never do these battlegrounds again. I wish this quest would change to require 1 win OR 5 losses, for example. Just a thought.

Комментарий от flodde

Why the !@#$ would I wanna queue up for any BG's at all. Jesus blizzard have a brain when you make legendary quest lines, you CAN'T make any BG quests. Are you freaking kidding me?.
Well my quest lines stops right here. I will NEVER queue up for a BG.

Комментарий от flodde

Just *!@#ing no lifers play BG's

Комментарий от unklebobb

Worst quest ever, 0-15 so far

Комментарий от 1146124

this quest and the frustrations that come with it make me want to kick a kitten

Комментарий от 1065597

I am not a fan of PVP, so I choose not to join a PVP realm. I was not pleased with the idea of needing to win 2 different battlegrounds for this to be complete.

I have found a large number of people on the Timeless Isle looking for more people with the legendary cloak to fight Ordos. There is currently a big shortage of players available for this fight on my realm.

My best advice for these two battlegrounds is go to the Timeless Isle and do a LFG to put together a group to run this. That seems to be where the geared up players are hanging out of late. Many of the other players I have run across there seem willing to help with these if for no other reason than it will increase the number of people available to group up to fight Ordos.

Комментарий от heimdalr

Haha. To be fair they should make the horde players win five Av or IoC. I cringe whenever it pops up as the random bg because ally just seem to suck at both. Well all the groups I have been in have sucked anyways.

Комментарий от 555435

Hey Blizz, I've got an idea for you. Nobody likes feeling like they're in some twisted sociological experiment about quantifying the amount of suffering they'll put themselves through for something they want. Agreed? So. If you're going to tell people who pay their 15 bucks a month specifically because they love raiding, that they have to do stuff they absolutely hate just to be able to stay competitive, don't you think it's only fair that you do SOMETHING to make them not start hating this game so much they quit? Like maybe a small credit on their account for each loss in these 2 BGs until they get their first win?

Think about it. We have all overwhelmingly agreed that this quest (not BGs in general, just this one, specific, quest) is joyless for PVEers and simply poorly thought-out game design. Say someone who normally only raids has to endure 10 losses in Kotmogu before they get their first win. Further say that you, in your infinite benevolence, decide to credit them $0.50 per loss. That $5 credit toward their $15 is only a third of one month, and only credited once, but may go a loooooooong way in goodwill for that player. Say it's only a $0.25 credit per loss, and those ten losses only get a $2.50 credit, the player still feels like Blizz "gets it" and is willing in the name of good player relations to soften the blow a little.

Комментарий от DarthMurdock

Blizzard, i know you're fond of your horde and i know you would like everyone to see your content. But putting pvp in a pve questline is just terrible.

I went to a pve server to not have to do pvp, because i really dislike doing it. Yet, again, like the achievements, you force pve players to do pvp.
Why?
Why make pve servers at all, if you keep putting pvp stuff in achievements and major questlines. And to make things even more happier, i did the Temple of Kotmogu, and even before we started the horde were 20 points ahead.
The only reason i do pvp now, is because of this questline. Heck, i wouldnt mind killing the Thunderking 200 times for 1 item, but anything is better than pvp. And ive made a post on this on the official forums too, and they locked it.. twice.. The solution to this is simple, give us 2 free faction changes so pve-alliance can finish this quest or remove this from the quest line.

Комментарий от Gamewizarddotexe

Unfortunately there is no easy way to complete this quest, aside from having a really well organized group or forming a premade yourself. I lucked out and got the Temple done on my first shot, but then I hit Silvershard and kept losing. And losing. And losing. Part of the issue is that Horde can reach two of the carts sooner than the Alliance can, and for them, it's only an issue of defending what they have to win. The other part is definitely pure organization/skill, though in a random BG you're not likely to do well there. I was over 0-10 before I lucked out and queued with a Horde group that apparently wanted to focus on only one cart, leaving the other two to us.

Комментарий от Ooko

May I also point out that this is on the path for a LEGENDARY item? The type of item that, previously, you pretty much had to have your entire guild helping you and prioritizing you personally as the ONE PERSON (or at least the one next person in line) that will get it? And ya'll are QQing about having to win two BGs to get one? Take a step back and examine the situation, people.

Комментарий от 1100895

we should all post how many games it has taken us to finish that quest, for me, mine 1-3 so I got lucky, temple so far is 0-9 and still counting

Комментарий от Vallianna

Very simple tip to make this easier particularly for the mines. Go in the middle of the night......it's past the horde's bedtime. I had tried all day and got the temple but could not get the mine's. Did the above and won on the first try.

Комментарий от Ooko

Oh look, looks like the vast majority of players (at least those that read WoW Insider) are just fine with the quest.

http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/10/31/breakfast-topic-do-you-want-another-peoples-legendary/

The people complaining are just a vocal minority. As usual.

Комментарий от 10427

I'm kind of surprised about the amount of moaning about having to pvp in this legendary quest chain. The sheer amount of tasks in the chain is daunting but queuing for a couple goofy battlegrounds should be a welcome break from having to farm low drop rate items or valor in dungeons for weeks on end.

I'd queue for pvp nonstop if it meant that I could bypass the secrets or titan drops even partially.

Комментарий от 82881

For future pvp-to-get-pve-stuff-done quests I recommend this:

Win BG xyz OR complete BG xyz five times

This way you filter out the pve'ers and they aren't perpetually pulling their fellow alliance pvp'ers down. And they get to move on too...

Комментарий от rameymj

Don't forget that PvE gear is downgraded, so Grievous (Conquest Point PvP) gear will always out match you by about 10 iLevels. So not only may PvE players not know how to play, and have to modify their play-style, but their equipment will probably be out matched. Given that there are more Alliance than Horde players, the Allys should have lesser total gear iLevels.

I'd like to see how many people have given up on the quest chain because of this quest.

Комментарий от 293216

I can see that Blizzard stands to make a killing from all the faction transfers from alliance to horde just to get this stupid quest done.

Комментарий от n3cr0he11

no chance to win single battle in Temple of Kotmogu as Alliance! I try a few day and 10/10 bg is horde win like 1600/600...... Its insane, I need only one win for legendary quest... I know what to do, but the rest of the team simply dont... I on Azuremyst-EU server

anyone can help with some good advice? but more than "you need patience"

Комментарий от Zizzerzoop

I would like to add my Two cents worth to this thread. Good God Blizzard, what the h*** are you people smoking? I am pushing 60 with artherits in about ever joint in this train wreck I refer to as my Body. I started playing this game because Blizzard offered us end users a choice between PVP and or PVE. I even tried having the Grandson come over and try playing my lame, squishy, pink haird Gnome Mage (ehehe that sort of looks like his Grandma) to no avail in the BGs. Oh well, I am finished with my rant. I sure do appreciate the advice though. I will continue with this quest in the BGs. At least I can be an irritant to those jumping around, back stabbing and sort of ugly Horde folks.

Комментарий от Asschensukar

Really don't understand this quest in a PVE-questline. I don't like PvP, better said... I hate PvP with a passion. Still I want that cloak so will need to finish this quest.

So what happens now: I queue for the BG and stand around hoping my team wins. This way I am ruining the game for the PvP-players in the BG and I'm being bored while I "play" the game...

To be honest, I only see people losing out on this quest, both the PvE-players and the PvP-players.

Update, got the quest done coz of horde team against us failing as much as the alliance... /cheer I won't bother you PvP-players anymore now ;)

Комментарий от Mussoflex

I dislike having to pvp as well.
Fortunately, I seem to have gotten lucky and finished with only 9 games.
Here are my results (as Alliance).

Temple of Kotmogu (6 games)
(12/16)
(11/16)
(6/16)
(7/16)
(14/16)
(16/11)

Silvershard Mines (3 games)
(5/16)
(5/16)
(16/11)

Комментарий от Brenik

Just a hint for all ally pvers (like me). I was trying to win those battles at night... big mistake. All pvp junkies play at night. Tried in the morning... won both in 20 mins :P

Комментарий от Keyanna

This quest took me about six hours straight. Such a pointless aspect of this entire chain considering the legendary cloak gets nerfed down to 512. I despise pvp. That's why I don't do it. If I wanted a pvp cloak I wouldn't of sold the Grievous one that dropped off Celestials to a vendor.

Комментарий от 1208366

I'm personally a huge PvE person, whether that's raiding/dungeons/questing too much, just anything PvE related.. I absolutely despise PvP. So this quest for me was annoying and made me extremely irate. I read through SylviaDragon's comment and it gave me a small amount of motivation. I went through the battlegrounds losing ALL of them (Alliance isn't the best), then I took lead. I became the teams leader, and either explained for the first time or reminded them of what to do. When given instruction, most allies followed said instructions. I also did this early in the morning as suggested by Brenik and the hordies seemed less competitive. After about 30-40 battlegrounds, I won both of them. It may seem just too cliche, but patience is a virtue.

Комментарий от maddanhansson

I lost countless of Mine battles and I can´t say how much I hate this crap. I did my part of pvp long ago when I grinded myself a Field Marshal and it hasn´t got more fun since. If I wanted to pvp I would get gear according to it. All I do now in this lousy quest to get to see the end of a long and previously interresting questlline is dying, ressing, dying, ressing, quing for a new battle, dying.... Lame.

Комментарий от Aunel

I just did this today, and the only advice I can give you is this.

You are not going to be of any help in combat. You simply won´t do enough damage and you will die too quickly, especially if you are trying to heal. Fortunately, BGs are not won with combat, and you are here to win. If you follow these tips, you the PVEer will probably be providing more towards the victory than most of the "PVPers".

In the Temple of Kotmogu grab an orb if you can. You are notified when one drops. Check where it is, and if you can, get it. The reason I lost this BG is because no one went for those orbs, even if they were available. Don´t rely on the PVPers to get them. In my battlegroup they didn't. You will not burden your team in anyway by doing this as you would in WSG or Twin Peaks. Every second you hold an orb your team is getting points and Horde is not.

In Silvershard Mines try to stay in the circle around the mine carts as much as possible. When you do, you are contributing towards capturing the cart. A controlled cart provides points and a captured cart even more. Most of the time everyone is fighting outside of the circle because the cart moves, but if you want to win the BG you need those points. Also look for enemy carts that no one is guarding and capture those.

Комментарий от Gantor

The sheer futility of trying this quest as alliance is making me want to defect to the horde.

Комментарий от dudens97

"The Lion Roars"... honestly my favorite quest name of all-time, makes me feel proud to be a member of the Alliance...

Комментарий от Lovechile

This has to be the worse idea blizzard ever had. It's stupid for force PVE'ers to PVP.

and no, pvp'ers...the difference is that blizzard has never MADE you guys PVE. It's not their fault the numbers worked out better for you guys with pve gear vs. pvp gear...because they made that gear for pve. this is like, literally, them making a Legendary for PVP, but making you raid heroic to get it.

When they do that, THEN come QQ.

and besides, even if you did have to raid because numbers worked out better for a couple of pvp pieces. coming from a raider, it's a lot easier to transition from pvp to raiding.

Комментарий от Gwiez

If you still haven't gotten this done, there is a guaranteed way to get it done, even if you don't have pvp gear.

Wargames.

Get 10-20 people, divide into even groups/raids. If half or less need the quest, put them all in one group. Then leader of one raid/group targets the leader of the other group and starts a wargames (through pvp interface). Let team that needs a win win.
If you're at all interested in doing the BG later, have someone explain what normally happens while you explore the map.

Комментарий от rameymj

Just queuing doesn't work any more* unless you are really lucky.

Stop queuing until you have
- a minimum iLevel 512, and a Flex-raid weapon
- fully enchanted and PvP gemmed armor
- changed your glyphs to the PvP glyphs & know how to use them
- convert your 4000 justice points to honor points and buy some Tyrannical gear to replace your weakest PvE gear & the unstun trinket (except humans have "Every Man for Himself" on the same CD)

Reasons why Alliance looses:
- not understanding victory conditions
- undergeared
- individual fights; not understanding PvP
- not rebuffing
- not moving

These games are about control, NOT KILLING, but you must kill. Group up, three on one, to KEEP THEM IN THE GRAVEYARD where they are not helping you lose; never do one-on-one fights.

In the temple, orbs on the outside give less points that orbs "in the pit", but controlling three outside of the pit might win over one in the pit. GET IN THE PIT. Orb holders give & receive more damage; tanks hold orbs, but don't use your invulnerabilities (e.g. pally bubble) or orbholders will drop the orb. Kill the Horde orb holders & healers. When you rez check for orbs.

In the mines, your team needs to have more bodies INSIDE the cart's circle to gain control of it. This is not instantaneous. Carts give few points on its journey and about 300 at the end; control at the end (capping) them wins games. DON'T FIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, unless your team is successfully graveyard camping. Stealths don't get GY camped, go capture carts.

How do you expect to do legendary things with blue and green items? You don't go in a heroic raid under-geared or you get kicked. Why even think about attempting to PvP so unprepared? I've seen blue/green PvE gear (FEB 2014) wanting to get carried ... this just doesn't work now*.

PvP Resilence (bottom of char sheet) means successful attacks loose 72% (without PvP gems) of their damage. If their yellow gems increase PvP Resilence, they are even more protected from you. PvP Power overcome PvP Resilence. YOU DON"T HAVE ANY, if you are in PvE gear. Vivid Wild Jade (yellow socket), Stormy River's Heart (blue), and purple prime stat/PvP Power gems (red INT, STR, AGI) are cheap.

PvP gear has a distinct advantage (Wowpedia, Battle.net). All that great PvE gear you have is scaled back to the maximum PvP gear at best ... but without any PvP power. So unless they are in Tyrannical gear (unlikely), you are significantly under-geared. (If you are in full heroic raid gear, you might have a slight advantage as your DPS might overcome PvP Power gains.) Convert those useless Justice Points to Honor Points and buy PvP gear ... every season!

PvP uses a different skill set, e.g. stuns, roots, and movement (PvP smarter than AI mobs). Unless you regularly PvP, you are under-skilled. Change to the PvP glyphs and learn to use them a bit. Learn your classes CC abilities (which don't last as long as in PvE)! Consider buying the unstun (acorn) trinket with Honor Points, your defense and offense plumment when stunned. Mastery unstun Trinket, Crit unstun trinket, Spirit unstun trinket. Humans use Every Man for Himself ability and save the trinket slot.

You don't fight Garrosh alone while 24 players wait for you. Gang up! PvPers use a bully mentality. PvP is about unfair fights.
+++ Assume everyone does the same DPS, in a 3 on 3 fight, Team 1 concentrates on one opponent, Team 2 spreads out. When Team 2 looses their first player, Team 1 are all down to 2/3 health; Team 2 has two players at full health. ++ When Team 2 looses their second player, Team 1 has two players at 1/3 health, and one at 2/3 health , Team 2 has one fresh, one dead, and one player rezes & starts to ride to fight. ++ Next, Team 1 is all at 1/3 health (or 2/3, 1/3, barely alive), Team 2 has one fresh person arriving at the fight, one person rezzing at the GY, and one freshly killed. At this point, Team 1 can maintain twice as many people alive, twice the DPS. Team 1 controls the fight! Concentrate your team's DPS to kill quickly.

When your teammates die, they loose their buffs. Rebuff during the fight to increase their DPS (about every 15 seconds). USE YOUR FIRST-AID SKILL BANDAGES on yourself and other players, if clear. You can't rely on healers, they are prime PvPer targets; you will die more often than LFR newbs, it's OK, 1600 victory point are what matters.

You will usually run out of energy/rage/etc when using your high impact attacks and CDs. You'll need to move to gain time to regen these. Don't just stand there and let Horde hit you. Attacking from the rear means a) they cannot parry (they still dodge), just like in PvE, and b) limits their attacks to lesser effective (AoE & 360 degree) ones. Move!

Hopefully less people will stop queuing to be carried, and you will get your cloak soon.

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* - There are more Alliance players than Horde. Starting out, Alliance averaged about the same number of cloak seekers. Once the Horde got their cloaks, they stopped coming. Now Horde may have 1-2 cloak seekers, and 8-9 PvPers, while 1/4 to 1/2 the Alliance team is cloak seekers ... often undergeared. Which team knows how to PvP? One or two of your allies probably have a blue or green item (i.e. they shouldn't even be there.) Who is going to win? Who is going to be frustrated? Horde will win, all Alliance players will get frustrated, the Horde players, who are not bullies, get frustrated by the lack of challenge. Horde PvPers who are bullies just love it. PvP quests in a PvE chain just plain suck.

*** I've spent four years doing PvP. I'm not great at it. I stopped last year when healer PvP Power only enhanced heals, not my attacks, and I'm unable to offer a credible offense in one on one. ***

Комментарий от gbalkam

I agree with one poster on here.. Lets make PVP players defeat Garrosh Hellscream in 10 man or 10 heroic, but go a little further.. Lets force them to do it BEFORE they can buy any glorious conquest ilev 522 gear! MAKE them beat hellscream in the 496 pvp gear! Maybe they can find a group of geared pve players that are willing to carry them!

I think that this is a totally fair idea. PVE players have to do pvp content for a pve quest to get a pve item, and have to rely on getting in with a group of pvp players that are geared and know what they are doing to complete this quest. (As if doing one bg 34 times is going to improve your pvp skills to match people that have spent years doing nothing but pvp)

Also, if you ask pvp players that have done nothing but pvp and then switched to doing pve content, they will mostly say that pve content is insanely hard, until they change from pvp mode to pve group dynamics. Like a pvp warrior... charge, stun kill.. but in pve...its charge, boss is immune to stun, get one shotted by said raid boss, get laughed at and called noob.

It is 2 different dynamics. 2 different play styles and 2 different games. Lets remove this horrible quest and keep it the way the customers like it..

I do play some pvp, but I only play pvp on my pvp toons. I don't have multiple specs or gear sets or glyphs or action bar set ups, i have only pvp set up for pvp toons, and only pve set up for pve toons.

So just because of this quest, I am making a pvp rogue, gearing it in full gladiator (or whatever conquest gear is going to be called next) and doing nothing at 90 except these 2 instances. THEN I am going to go to the horde graveyard and camp the rezzers, ganking them as they spawn. Maybe I will partner up with a shammy, so he can heal me while I gank them, and root them so they can't run? Hmmm sounds like a lot of fun... for me and the shammy.

I'll let blizzard figure out what to tell the people I am camping.

Комментарий от QcRoman

Blizzard messed up with this. By forcing PvE players onto some predetermined battleground they are annoying not only the PvE players but also those that do like and do PvP and have the gear for it.

I went for that quest last night as the night before and was in a full set of PvP 496 with a 498 weapon, gemmed, enchanted, the whole nine yard. Yet knowing about the quest I immediately started inspecting my "teammates" soon as I zoned in, for every game we got steamrolled we had more than a few players in there with very few PvP gear pieces _at_best_, most had none ! PvP geared players were furious, I was unhappy and the silly PvE players looking to be carried just had to try and try again just like I did.

When we did win, everyone was PvP geared and we managed the wins in something of a situation reversal, a landslide. I suspect those times around the other side was suffering from whatever the Horde side quest is called.

You can not expect to complete this quest and win these battlegrounds without at least the proper gear or some miracle, too many people are expecting the same thing, too many people queue up hoping to be carried.

Why oh why did Blizzard think this was a good idea. This is pissing off PvP and PvE players off alike. Great move from a game maker ...not !

Комментарий от jelliott2k

Thank you for the good summary. And, although I appreciate your calm and measured approach to the fact that Blizzard has required PvE people to play in a PvP role, I feel this is one place where Blizzard has failed miserably. I play PvE because I enjoy the story line, and playing with friends as we explore the rich world found in the game.

I do not play PvP. I have no PvP gear. I have no interest in playing PvP. And, for those reasons I have established my home on a role play server. Requiring me to play PvP is not only silly, it destroys the enjoyment that comes from the game in general.

If Blizzard insists on more PvP play to be part of the game, I will have to find another place to spend my money.

Комментарий от 487833

I know this is an old topic, but I was reading the posts and had to say something. First off, noones "forcing" you to PvP. If winning two bgs is such a chore, don't get the legendary. Second, omg, to start raiding you wanted us pvpers to do a billion days of dailys to get rep gear, to qualify for heroics to get heroic gear, to get into raiding, but god forbid you do two bgs against us. Third if your battle group sucks at PvP then put a group together. If your guild are raiders you should be helping each other get this crap.

And last I applaud blizz. They've made PvP take such a back seat to pve when there's just as much story and lore behind the bgs we fight as the raids we run. All I ask is please make a PvP legendary next. And you know, if I have to do a raid to get part of it, you won't see me *!@#$ing about it.

Комментарий от Nixeska

The real problem is actually that Silvershard Mines is a garbage BG. Temple is fun to play on. Going to get a full set of pvp gear for two bgs, then chucking it because it's garbage seems like a pretty poor choice when designing the questline.

Комментарий от Toontang

I think this may be directed at non PvPers, Wrathion's only response when you turn the quest in is:

"hahahahaha"

Комментарий от 1212940

I know I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said, but I cannot put into words how much I hate this quest. And I am not someone that complains about quests in general. It's cruel and misguided. It is abuse, plain and simple.

Комментарий от duranox

I have yet to understand why they won't just change it to 2 battlegrounds instead of 2 specific really %^&*ty battlegrounds. Wrathion himself states that it's a global war so why can't it be just 2 battlegrounds.

Комментарий от Mognus

If you are Horde you will get this easily atleast in my realm(Silvermoon). I have tried both this bg 16th times with no luck whatsoever. I am getting both frustrated and angry

Комментарий от Nocked

I don't mind pvp'ing, but I absolutely despise 10v10 BGs with a burning passion.

I still have not finished this. Alliance pvp has sucked out my will to continue. I still try now and then, and still no success.... :-/

Комментарий от 1223086

I want to know the man responsible for this... Then I want his head on a $%^&ing platter!

Комментарий от hermz

over 300 games played trying to get this... played at all times of the day, played at all different days of the week, it makes no difference at all, this is , in my opinion, not achievable by alliance! If it weren't for the cooldown on faction changing, i would GLADLY pay to change for the 2 wins and pay to switch back! from what i have seen it would only take 2 games to get this done as horde ... 170 temple of kotmogu games played, best game seen= 181/1600... worst games seen= 0/1600 (TWENTY-SIX times!) yes, that's right 26 out of 170 games were ZERO to 1600... my last game no one on my team had over 500k health, every single horde had AT LEAST 800k and over half of their team was near or over 1 million! nice "fair" matchmaker this game has... good job Blizz (SARCASM) no wonder they have lost over 6 million subscribers!

Комментарий от Peredhil

I must say it is quite a fun quest,easier by far than Школа выживания-especially the alterac part.I needed no more than 4 pug BG,2 for each.I'm a 530 pve prot pally(the boots are 550 pvp though,drop from celestials),not skilled in pvp.First-search the exact conditions of winning(watching 1 or 2 YT videos will suffice).Second-lure as many horde as you can and survive as much as you can(-being tank with good self healing and defensive cd,also free pvp trinket from human racial helps);use every stun you have( FoW and blinding light in my case)whenever you can,every second is important.remember-each hordie trying to kill you is one hordie less working to accumulate points.Eventually you will die,but hopefully,your team gained some precious points.Not all horde are pvp pro either.In Silvershard we lost first BG something like 100-1600-the enemy were all pros and know what to do.The second,won by 3 or 400 points worked as a charm-3-5 hordies trying to kill me defending a cart while the rest were outnumbered by my team.The gained seconds added in the end.Kotmogu-first balanced but lost,second won with some achievements in the process.Being aggressive in taking the orbs/killing the orb carriers is the key.I consider myself lucky ,because i met some decent teammates(not even half PVP geared),but is a matter of time until anyone having troubles with this one will find some too.Have faith,lad/lass! ;)

Комментарий от Briandris

Blizz? Why do you make PvE'ers PvP? I have no gear, I don't like PVP and therefore I suck at it and I get yelled at for hours till we finally win one. This is not right. If I wanted to PvP I wouldn't be after my legendary PvE cloak.

Комментарий от Kharnamatic

Man, this quest... shudder

Silvershard Mines is absolutely impossible for Alliance to win. I took a day off work to do the legendary quest with the buff up (finish off 3000/300 valor, then all lfrs for secrets of the empire) but got stuck on this part. After losing 5 silvershard mines solo queueing, I asked for help in trade - was willing to pay (1k) for a bg carry. But even with help from multiple 550 "pvp heroes" (including full premades) it was pointless. Eventually I said that volunteers had to pay me 1k that would be added to the prize money if they lost - compensation for wasting my time. The prize pool got to 54k AND STILL VICTORY WAS ELUSIVE. In the end, I gave up (my internet began lagging). After browsing on the web to see if anyone else had this problem, I found out that you can pass the legendary quest by setting up a wargame. That's how I eventually passed this part of the questline.

So tldr version: don't bother trying to win Silvershard Mines as alliance. Set up a wargame and win trade among fellow players.

As an aside: you can clearly see this bg is unwinnable by the map layout. It's clear proof that Blizzard is horde-biased and has been indoctrinated by Metzen. It's inevitable that Alliance players (being mostly right-handed) will take the right-hand path at the start, giving up control of the centre of the map and 2/3 mine carts right off the bat. But wait there's more: the right mine cart takes so long to reach the end that the horde can finish up their carts first, rally up come back and seize the right cart as well. So in the first 2 minutes it is INEVITABLE that horde claim 3 mine carts, demoralize alliance players and most quit/afk for easy honor. After this point victory becomes impossible. Let us not even broach the subject of overpowered horde racials. In even completely balanced settings, their racials (ridiculous orc pet damage and cc immunity, etc.) are enough to grant them world first raid boss kills over the alliance. What do you think happens when the map is also biased against Alliance. 0.000000000% chance recurring of Alliance victory as Leeroy would say.

Комментарий от zknm7

I hate this quest with a passion. I have multiple 90's and I've gotten the legendary cloak on four of them..... and three others have been stuck on this part of the questline for MONTHS... I hate the BG's that bad. Every once in awhile I'll decide to try and get this part of the quest done on one of them and I'll remember why they've been stuck on them for months and months.... my server's battlegroup is very heavily Horde, and the Hordies camp these two BG's specifically just to make life miserable for Alliance players trying to get the cloak. Whoever at Blizzard thought this was a good idea should be taken out back and.... fired. It would be nice if they just let you have the cloak on alts once you'd gotten it on at least two or so toons, or let you skip the BG's after a couple of toons, or at least let you win two random BG's instead so that they couldn't be camped.... everything about this part of the quest is idiotic.

Комментарий от SpakyTwo

This quest is really irritating for people that don't want to PvP, they don't want to leave the fate of getting their legendary cloak in the hands of some scrubs they don't have dream of even knowing in game.

But you already knew that

Let me tell you something maybe you didn't know. You can complete this quest with little to no PvP. Their is a social engineering way out. Collect 9 other 90's of your faction and split them in to groups. Cross realm zones MAY get in your way, make sure you have dominance of realm for both leaders. Read up on Cross Realm Zones, I don't want to give a blow by blow about Cross Realm Zones here. Create two 5 man teams, have the leader press H and click War Games, select Temple of Kotmogu. Decide which of the two teams will be the winning side, they grab the orbs and stand in the middle. While the losing team just mills about outside the dug out part.

Rinse and repeat if you have any people on the "losing" side that need to complete the quest.

Do the same thing for Silver Shard Mines. Walaa. Quest complete.

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