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Feint lvl 6 lowers threat by about 1050 points of normalized damage.
Rogue only get 80% threat from damage so one feint allows you to do about 1300 damage.
However you only take agro when your over 110% of tank threat so these threat points lost will not help a lot after a few minutes of a fight.

So either
use it early not to pick agro to fast
use it often when your close to picking agro
use vanish to completely reset agro

Комментарий от 33684

With this ability, rogues should never be taking aggro in dungeon/raid situations, a much better threat dump than fade and can be used much faster than Feign Death.
The talent Sleight of Hand will negate an additional 105 damage points per talent point, totaling 210 damage negated per cast.

Комментарий от 111622

This ability doesn't work. When I use it on a mob, sapped or not, it draws mass aggro. And breaks the sap.

Комментарий от Jediah

That's 2000 more damage that I've overcome in 1 SECOND. NOT worth the 20 energy spent. You will overcome it, and if you're doing that badly that you are pulling aggro from the tank, then you will be doing 0 DPS. Because you will be dead.

Plus, after more research, apparently I was incorrect. Feint is modified as well by the rogue's inherent threat reduction and threat reduced by spells. So, you only are only reducing your threat by 1050 damage under all conditions. About two auto attacks.

Care to tell me how many autoattacks you do in 10 seconds?

If the tank is limited with threat from the beginning, feint WILL NOT HELP YOU. Neither will vanish in that situation. I'm willing to bet all my gold that a better tank is your best solution.

If you are not a terribad rogue, and you are fighting something that isn't bleed immune, then you should never worry about threat if your tank is worth the gold spent for the repair bill. All of our best finishers (SnD and Rupture) spread the increased threat over time, which means you should not be overcoming rapidly any threat generated by your tank. If you are forced to use eviscerate as a finisher, then it is possible that you might get spikes in threat. However, eviscerate rarely does worth its salt in damage, so it shouldn't be a problem either.

If you reach the threat cap, what will using this spell do? Absolutely nothing worth while. You'll still have to deal with being threat capped. It's quite possible that this will be the only spell you can use; I might give you that one. However, those type of fights are no where near the majority. For the majority of boss fights in the game, feint should not be on your toolbar. It's a waste of a global cooldown. Besides, even on threat sensitive fights, you will get more DPS out of your 20 energy by using something else, especially as you escalate in gear.

And need I remind you that this spell gets worse and worse as you get better gear? I shouldn't, but it appears that I'm going to have to.

Moral of the story: if you are worrying about threat, this spell is not the answer. A new tank is. Either that, or learn to not jump in with DPS from the getgo; a rogue's goal should not be to top the damage charts, but to kill the friggin' boss, so if a delay is needed for threat to be gained, by god, give the tank time!

EDIT: Oh, and in the scenario that you mentioned, you are correct: vanishing from the start is a waste. However, vanishing early (such as 1-2 minutes in) then vanishing again once the cooldown is up should give you plenty of aggro management in a fight such as that.

Комментарий от 27713

I assume this lowers threat by a static amount.
How much ?

Комментарий от 94427

Simply makes the target forget the last 1050 dmg you did to it, since it's affected by threat modifiers.

Комментарий от 16310

Keep in mind that when fighting in melee you need 10% more threat than the tank to get aggro. He will need to surpass you by 10% to take it back.

This means: Use Feint BEFORE getting aggro. Threat meters like Omen and KTL will let you know when the time is right.

Managing threat is a key part of being a good DPSer. Be awesome, use Feint when necessary!

Комментарий от DarkShade

More of double aggro reduction that the highest Feint rank at level 70 (Rank 6)

Комментарий от paminen

Do not use Feint. Take this skill off your bar.

Rogues have a 0.71x threat modifier. This modifier affects anything a rogue does that changes his threat, mostly the damage dealing, but also the threat removed by Feint. This means that Feint doesn't actually remove 1050 threat like it says above, but 745 threat.

But that's not all! Almost always, you will have blessing of salvation on in a raid. The only reason you wouldn't is if there were no paladins: It's our most useful paladin blessing, and gives you a 0.7x threat modifier. This further reduces our threat generation, stacking with our base modifier - which also affects Feint. That means that with salv, Feint will take away a grand total of 522 threat.

Let's say you do 1500 dps. Adding in the modifiers from being a rogue and from salv, you produce 597 threat per second.

At 1500 dps, feint removes about one second's worth of threat for 1/5th of your energy. With how precious your energy is this is not a good tradeoff.

As you get stronger it scales even worse. Let's say you do 2000 dps now. That's 994 threat per second. Feint now removes a little more than half a second's worth of threat.

The only time a rogue should be using Feint is on Bloodboil, if he's not too sure of his tank's capabilities (and even then, you'll probably have a tranquil air totem). Otherwise, a well-timed Vanish will take care of any threat issues you might have.

Комментарий от 228363

"Real rogues don't feint." -Lonika Stillblade

Комментарий от 201154

Also about half as useful since rogues do three times the DPS at 80 than 70. I honestly didn't think they'd make feint even WORSE, but they have.

Want advice? Take the ability off your bar, pay attention to your threat, and if you're about to pull, Vanish. (Or if you're a NELF, Shadowmeld then Vanish..it's not really more useful, but it's fun.)

Комментарий от 99096

yes rogues will be putting out way more dmg then before and yes they can vanish but lets say you can pull aggro before that 5 min cooldown is up this is still worth useing cus the more threat between you and the tank means more dmg you can put out in that time blizzard put it in the game for a reason im gonna use it for sure

Комментарий от karti

good bye feint,
hello tricks of the trade..

6 seconds of aggro-free dps every 30 seconds + increasing tank-aggro beats any feint hands down..

edit:
this was back then, when archa and naxx were high-end.
raiding icc, i have feint on cooldown pretty much all the time:

wheter trash exploding on death, (and being bombed, there are multiple explosions in short time)
marrowgar bone-storming,
festergut gas,
rotface blobs' aura,
putricide blobs' AoE..

..feint on cooldown.

oh yeah - forget the aggro reduction part.
2T10 makes you even forget what aggro is ^^

Комментарий от Eremes

Was using feign to get Deeprun Tram Rats to attack me for fun and found out that i can proc poison with it. Just something funny about this ability.

Комментарий от 161875

As of PTR Patch 3.08, it reduces the damage you take from area of effect attacks by 50%

Комментарий от 164509

I could see the AOE reduction being very useful. Good job on making Feint useful now!

Комментарий от Factsfountain

Fun to use on critters as it sends them running in random directions.

Комментарий от 311856

Wait now i need to put feint back on my action bar. haha :D

Комментарий от Xaith

The new effect of Feint is such a blast!
It helps on encounters like Loken (Lightning Nova), Jedoga Shadowseeker (Cyclone Strike, should you fail to outrun it), Slad'ran (Poison Nova) and many trash mobs.
Not only does it help on regular AoE spells, it also lowers damage from spells that hit multiple targets like Shadow Bolt Volley or Chain Lightning.

It's still on a 10 second cooldown, while having a 6 second duration.
I don't use it as a threat dump anymore, since Tricks of the Trade is more than sufficient, but since 3.0.8 I have it back on my action bars.

Комментарий от amythe

Such an underused skill. Use this anytime you have a big AoE fight. Use this when you're fighting Grobbulus and your group drops a bomb under you, or when the offtank is too inept to grab slimes.

Комментарий от 230590

best counter for bladestorm there is

Комментарий от 116979

Proper use of feint is one of the things that separates good rogues from bad rogues.

Комментарий от 42728

What about Heart strike? its actually considered a AOE Attack since the cleave implemention and proof of this can be found if you attempt to cleave strike Treants, they take next to nothing, Could feint possibly decrease the damage from heartstrike by 50%?

Комментарий от ajpursell

With the 50% aoe damage reduction, it got useful again.

Комментарий от 368606

Very useful for XT-002 Deconstructor during his tantrums. One less person to heal for the healers.

Комментарий от doomooman

Hey, does this work against the ret pally's divine storm?

Комментарий от 258282

if used in conjunction with Tricks of the Trade, will feint Reduce the aggro of the redirected target?

Комментарий от 550281

Thanks for the tips. It looks like Feint won't do the trick until level 78 (I am 71) but I will keep it in mind, as well as the usage of Cloak of Shadows and Dodge.

Комментарий от Uxus

Does feint works in PvP like Feint Death on Hunters?

Комментарий от audiogarden21

Hmmmmm.... This seems like a really nice ability for a Subtlety rogue coupled with Enveloping Shadows and Glyph of Feint.

Feint, at the time of writing this is worded as:

Feint
20 Energy Melee Range
10 sec cooldown
Performs a feint, causing no damage but lowering your threat by 5%, making the enemy less likely to attack you. In addition, reduces the damage you take from area of effect attacks by 50% for 6 sec.

EoShadows increases the duration from 6 to 9 seconds, giving it a 90% up time if used on cooldown, and the glyph removes the energy cost entirely, making it quite spam-able.

Going by the wording of both Feint and Enveloping Shadows, it's hard to say whether or not they are additive or multiplicative without testing (account inactive). If it's the former, then you have nearly a permanent 65% (30% of 50%) reduction to AoE attacks, and if it's the latter then it bumps up to 80%. Either way, 30% of that is permanent with EoShadows and that's an incredible reduction to the amount of healing required during heavy AoE fights.

It's also unknown by me whether or not they stack at all, but considering that they added a bonus to Feint on EoShadows tells me that they do indeed stack to some degree, otherwise what would be the point? If they do not however work in tandem at all, please feel free to ignore this post entirely.

EDIT

After thinking about it more, it could also work out to be only 45% with EoShadows + Feint active. Since EoShadows is a permanent effect, being 30%, and Feint adding a reduction to what's already available, thus increasing your permanent 30% by 50%, totaling 45%. Who knows? Perhaps when I buy Cataclysm this weekend I'll be able to test it out on my Rogue and report back.

Комментарий от I3rawler

First thing I thought about the AoE-effect on this: Quite useful in Deadmines heroic, for example - and other cata heroics ofc.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Must have ability for all instances. Is very useful, especially if you have a bad warrior or tank in your group.

Комментарий от Thottbot

not just even if your tank is a good tank... if you get gear that inceased your damage you will be hitting this after every backstab on a mob you meet... using this often will also let the mob your attacking go after the offtank if your main tank dies.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Yeah true. I havent come to a mob so powerful you have to feint to survive as im only just over level30 and so only need to use it to stop myself being tanked or dying at low health from multiples.

Комментарий от Thottbot

As stated above, Feint is useful when you're grouped (quest/instance/raid, doesn't work for PvP/duels obviously) and the tank can't or won't hold the aggro; meaning the mobs will be beating on you, poor little leather-wearer, instead of the guy/girl wearing plate armor.

It re-directs the hate towards someone else in melee range, so the rogue doesn't take all the damage; note that it doesn't always work, especially if your tank doesn't taunt every now and then.

Комментарий от Thottbot

U might don't know but rogues "feint" ability (unlike wariors abilitys) simply removes agro from the player. When i'm fighting in a party and i realise that i have draw to much agro... i use "feint" to make the mob start hiting the tank again (or the poor mage that didnt expect this move)! And this ability is what makes rogues the best damage dealers when u r fighting against mobs!

Have u see the "stelthblade" dagger? I found one on "Sunken temple". I'm not shure but i belive that "fade" is the same thing as "feint". Their deference is that fade cause u draw less agro during its activation.

Комментарий от Thottbot

It isn't like Fade. Same idea, but doesn't work the same. Feint works only on ONE monster, whereas fade works against 1+ monsters. This move is great. You probably been having good tanks if you find this move "useless" or been using it completly wrong. It has saved myself from death a good amount of times in groups. But like I said, you either have a good tank/you're just not using it correctly, or you aren't dealing that much damage to generate enough threat. So it's NOT useless :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

After i began UBRS, i realised how important this really is! Trust me, you will all have use of it some day. Its a must, and only a lowbie will tell you this is useless.If you newer use this, you have to take breaks damaging... unless you want to take aggro and be tank. Thats why 10 energy is worth it, and i rather want tank dead 1'th than me ;D

Комментарий от Thottbot

What does faint look like anyway?
Do you act like a corpse?

Комментарий от Thottbot

My guess is that this skill more acts like the hunters move "Disengage" Which lowers threat instead of a chance to completely get rid of it with feign death. This move will not do any distinct animation, just the main melee strike type deal with some flare attached to it to make it look like ur disengaing with the target or something like that. Basically:

Click to not die

Комментарий от Thottbot

feint and faint are two differnt words

Комментарий от Thottbot

whoever says feint is useless, is retarded

Комментарий от Thottbot

Hunters ability is called Feign Death which removes aggro completley from mobs but can be resisted.

Rogues is as you see faint which is far as good as hunters but it is far away from a worthless skill.
You will use this more or less everytime in instances, espically the higher instances, if you don't need to use this then your dps is gimped and you should find better gear.

And about the post that rogues are the best dps class and just can remove aggro, that is wrong.

Mages can Ice Block, sure it doesn't remove aggro but it gives 10 sec immunity which gives the warrior time to retain aggro, hunters can feign death and warlocks got their thread reduction skill.

Комментарий от Thottbot

No one so far has not been pacific on using the feint.Can someone plz explain ,when i use feint do i use it on the target i am fighting ( before i strike or during the fight) or do i use feint on the aproching mob. Plz offer a example. Also can i use feint while in stealth or not. Im asuming u need a spacific target to direct the fient

Комментарий от Thottbot

Feint is a rogue's "oh crap" button when in instances and groups. Say you're in Deadmines, and you're beating on a mob. If you do more damage, or "hate" than the tank, the mob will switch to attacking you. If you "feint", your hate towards that mob lowers, causing the mob to hit the tank instead of you.

To put it in mathematical terms, hate is all about points. The person with the most hate is the one who the mob will attack.

Example:

Before combat, hate points for 1 mob are as follows:

Warrior: 0
Rogue: 0

The tank rushes in with a charge, and hits the mob for 70 damage.

Warrior: 70
Rogue: 0
** Mob is attacking Warrior.

The rogue jumps in and starts doing damage (lets say he does 50), meanwhile the tank is also doing damage (he does another 60).

Warrior: 130
Rogue: 50
** Mob is attacking Warrior.

The warrior is doing sunder armors and still attacking, but suddenly the rogue just landed a huge crit eviscerate for 250 dmg.

Warrior: 230
Rogue: 300.
** Mob has changed targets and is now attacking the Rogue.

Rogue casts Feint, which lowers hate rating by a small amount (lets say by 80).

Warrior: 230
Rogue: 220
** Mob is attacking Warrior.

By using feint, you lower your hate rating against that particular mob and thus save yourself from getting hit.

Комментарий от Thottbot

We're not discussing taunt. We're discussing feint. And, moves like sunder armor and revenge have fixed threat modifiers, meaning they do proxy damage. You're not actually hitting the mob for the extra damage, but it's as if you did. Learn how aggro works before trying to correct me.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Unless someone else is hitting on the same mob, this wont save u. It is not like fade or feign death. Its a hate lowering spell. Quite useful in instances when you'll do much more dmg than the tank. Also one of the reasons why a rogue is better dps than for example mage. Simply cuz the rogue can control his aggro, mages cant do that.

Комментарий от Thottbot

now i am gonna learn it at lvl 50 :)
i was thinking that it was waste of money b4 reddogs explanation ty reddog and Avye you are noob

Комментарий от Thottbot

Feint is not meant to save your ass if you pull aggro, that's Vanish. When you get good weapons, Feint will become part of your rotation, think about that...every 10 seconds, for 20 energy you remove over 1 thousand threat from the mob. That's amazing, that means you can deal more damage without pulling aggro.

(I'm referring to the level 70 one).

Комментарий от Thottbot

People keep comparing this ability to Feign Death... that is so untrue.

Feint is "equal" to Disengage, bcuz they both (permanently) remove a set amount of threat, like RedDog so perfectly explained.
Feign Death is more similar to Vanish, bcuz they both (permanently) wipe ALL aggro.

And: Fade is not really "similar" to any of the 4 mentioned abilities, Fade is a TEMPORARY aggro-reducer.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I find it funny that a skill called "faint" would require energy to perform. HA!

Комментарий от Thottbot

How can so many people not get this?

Комментарий от Thottbot

As the above states vanish is like the hunters FD, while Feint is more like the pets growl, it takes just one or 2 to move aggro off of you.

Комментарий от Thottbot

~A welcome addition in any action-bar when PvEing~
If you pull aggro then press this button, and it tricks your target into ignoring you so it returns to fighting the tank. You psyched it out, faked it out, it's a 'feint' (French for pretend).

Dropping aggro allows you to return behind a target while it's attentions are back on someone else. Black Morass anyone? What a lifesaver in Khara too.

Aggro reduction seen many times and useful as ****
see Priest's Fade https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=25429
Muck-Covered Drape https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=25827/испачканная-пелерина
Hypnotist's Watch https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=25786/гипнотические-камни

and as a Rogue, Timelapse Shard https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=2918/deprecated-coif-of-inner-strength
It's a trinket useful for grinding Black Morass rep and certain boss encounters. Your tank will heart you for it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Guys what does this do? i dont understand! can some one explain? thanks!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

lol this is a crapy move... its not cool i have a 60 hunter i got the fake death at 30 and rogues get it at lvl 16 :(

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